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mikeyscott 19-01-2010 06:12 PM

4WD change
 
Currently running a Cat SX LIPO with stiff chassis and all the alloy bits etc.

Finding it hard work, so contemplating changing to a Yokomo or B44.

Any other recommendations for a club racer or stick with the Cat SX and go back to the original chassis??

ian h 19-01-2010 06:21 PM

B44 all the way dude! Real easy to set up and real easy drive.

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 333104)
B44 all the way dude! Real easy to set up and real easy drive.

I'll have a word with a friend who has one and see what happens.. Test pilot it etc.

I do like the look of the Yokomo though.

ian h 19-01-2010 06:36 PM

Never owned one so don't know, I would look into spares availibility and prices though as I've heard they can be expensive.

David Church 19-01-2010 06:46 PM

Mikey, listen mate, try one more thing before you give up, I promise it will transform this car for you, PUT THE REAR SHOCKS ON THE REAR OF THE SHOCKTOWER!!!!!
I wasn't overly happy with the Cat till I did this, for me it made the Cat the kind of car I want to drive!!!!! Trust me, have I steered you wrong yet???:thumbsup:

ashleyb4 19-01-2010 07:02 PM

Ive driven a few Cats and i was impressed with the way they drove Stick with it :). Only thing that puts me of it the transmission. And it isnt a losi :p

A

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333121)
Mikey, listen mate, try one more thing before you give up, I promise it will transform this car for you, PUT THE REAR SHOCKS ON THE REAR OF THE SHOCKTOWER!!!!!
I wasn't overly happy with the Cat till I did this, for me it made the Cat the kind of car I want to drive!!!!! Trust me, have I steered you wrong yet???:thumbsup:

The Cat was running and has been running shocks on the rear.. I have been running them reverseed, but changed to standard wishbone position and on the rear for Petit. I ran them on the front for the final as I was already bust as far as qualifying and wanted to see what it was like.. Broke the car on my best run, my fault....

I am very undecided at the mo. I love the Cat for what it is, but I'm not good enough to take it forward.. :cry:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashleyb4 (Post 333130)
Ive driven a few Cats and i was impressed with the way they drove Stick with it :). Only thing that puts me of it the transmission. And it isnt a losi :p

A

That's also how I partly feel...

Plus I have a serious amount of money tied up in it.

Ordering up a SP 8.5 at some point, going back to basics!

I ran a 7.5 in the B4 and made the mistake of a 6.5 in the Cat SX at Petit.

Could sell my Omega and have both ;)

wylie 19-01-2010 07:13 PM

B44 all the way, good parts availability, cheap, tough and easy to drive (sometimes), untill Losi bring something new out :thumbsup: But what do i know.

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 07:15 PM

Indeed associated parts do seem cheap when I ordered a few bits for my B4..

Yokomo aren't that expensive are they?

Tony, maybe I should bind my radio to your car next time at TORCH?

I know I don't want a Losi XXX4 or Hotbodies D4!

dibble34 19-01-2010 07:18 PM

I can't recommend the Hot Bodies as it doesn't seem to have a race team anymore and i fear parts may get harder to source, but it is a great car to drive. Keeps the b44's behind it sometimes :D

Don't forget the ZX5-FS, but parts may be harder to get like the BMAX. XX4 be good on our track too i reckon

David Church 19-01-2010 07:21 PM

If you come to EPR on the 7th of Feb I will let you have a go with mine, alot of people have driven it and all say how safe and easy it is to drive!!
But if you are convinced you need a change, good luck:)

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dibble34 (Post 333139)
I can't recommend the Hot Bodies as it doesn't seem to have a race team anymore and i fear parts may get harder to source, but it is a great car to drive. Keeps the b44's behind it sometimes :D

Don't forget the ZX5-FS, but parts may be harder to get like the BMAX. XX4 be good on our track too i reckon

I have thought about the ZX5, but it's further down the list.

I'd go for a car that's good at our track, but I can also take it elsewhere easily etc.

We'll see. I expect I'll run the B4 this weekend if we are racing as I'm happy with that. Just need a slower motor for other tracks. That'll change to the Cougar once it's out etc.

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333141)
If you come to EPR on the 7th of Feb I will let you have a go with mine, alot of people have driven it and all say how safe and easy it is to drive!!
But if you are convinced you need a change, good luck:)

Would love to come up to EPR, so may have a word with the lady..

My skill can't do the Cat justice, but I do love it as a piece of machinery.

Speed Passion V3 8.5 in the Cat may help..

David Church 19-01-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 333143)
Would love to come up to EPR, so may have a word with the lady..

My skill can't do the Cat justice, but I do love it as a piece of machinery.

Speed Passion V3 8.5 in the Cat may help..


Dude trust me, give my car a go before you make a change

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333149)
Dude trust me, give my car a go before you make a change

I do :)

will see what I can do. Was planning on doing the march round at epr

David Church 19-01-2010 07:36 PM

Come to the feb 7th round!!!!:thumbsup:

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333155)
Come to the feb 7th round!!!!:thumbsup:

I'll see what I can do.

David Church 19-01-2010 07:46 PM

get it done!!!!!!:thumbsup:

jim76 19-01-2010 08:15 PM

Without wanting to sound harsh etc, but you say you don't have the skill to take the Cat any further. So there is a very good chance that you won't be able to take any of the other 4wd's further either.
All the top cars are on a pretty level playing field, so if you have a large amount of cash invested in the Cat (which you won't get much back!) then i would stick with it for a bit longer.

oh, and go back to the original chassis with more flex and forgiveness!

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim76 (Post 333185)
Without wanting to sound harsh etc, but you say you don't have the skill to take the Cat any further. So there is a very good chance that you won't be able to take any of the other 4wd's further either.
All the top cars are on a pretty level playing field, so if you have a large amount of cash invested in the Cat (which you won't get much back!) then i would stick with it for a bit longer.

oh, and go back to the original chassis with more flex and forgiveness!

I have been thinking this as when I got on best with it was with the original chassis. I do have an S1 LIPO chassis which I accidently ordered..

The old chassis has been dremeled to take Speed Passion LIPOs so should be more flexible now!

I am happy to take critism were it's due...

David Church 19-01-2010 08:24 PM

I have a speed power friendly chassis on my Cat, and it suits me fine!!!
With the cut-outs for the lipo

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333194)
I have a speed power friendly chassis on my Cat, and it suits me fine!!!
With the cut-outs for the lipo

I think I'll get the shock oil changed for TORCH and see how I feel going into the weekend. I'll leave it as full 4WD.

Will prob go 35 / 30 for TORCH, maybe 30 / 25 due to the colder weather

F-1 19-01-2010 08:36 PM

I'am Currently running a Cat SX LIPO with stiff chassis too :) For 2010 season really want to get Tamiya 511!!

David Church 19-01-2010 08:55 PM

If you are having trouble driving the Cat, use Grant's or Simon's set-up, but put the shocks on the back of the shocktower, put some lead in the car, at least 100 grams under the chassis, I am sure you will find a very easy and safe car to drive, this will help you build confidence and then set the car up more aggresive to improve your driving:thumbsup:

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333224)
If you are having trouble driving the Cat, use Grant's or Simon's set-up, but put the shocks on the back of the shocktower, put some lead in the car, at least 100 grams under the chassis, I am sure you will find a very easy and safe car to drive, this will help you build confidence and then set the car up more aggresive to improve your driving:thumbsup:

Think I'll do that.

:D

Got lead on it from Petit, may put the 12.5 yokes back on it as I think I prefer power on steering as I push it coming out of turns

Best set-up you'd go for at torch from what's in the set-ups?

David Church 19-01-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 333227)
Think I'll do that.

:D

Got lead on it from Petit, may put the 12.5 yokes back on it as I think I prefer power on steering as I push it coming out of turns

Best set-up you'd go for at torch from what's in the set-ups?


Best set up for me is mine!!! Grant's ish set-up, shocks on rear, 115 grams of weight -ish, then tweak it for what i wanted, it may be under-steering, but a dab of brakes can help solve this, super safe to drive though.

mikeyscott 19-01-2010 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Church (Post 333230)
Best set up for me is mine!!! Grant's ish set-up, shocks on rear, 115 grams of weight -ish, then tweak it for what i wanted, it may be under-steering, but a dab of brakes can help solve this, super safe to drive though.

I'll give it a go

Neil Skull 19-01-2010 09:23 PM

Dont dismiss the lazer FS. Out the box its highly competitive every thing you need is there. For the clubman just change to 10 degree hubs(included in the kit)
Richard Cree built his the night before petit and put in the A.
Mike craddock has not raced ep for nearly 20 years and out qualified Ellis stafford.
So Try Mr churchs car first and see if he got the set up to save you changing.

Dhami1 19-01-2010 09:52 PM

i second the lazer FS.. an awsome car.. i raced the elec 4wd FS for the first time at petit.. and was well happy with it, was surprised on how easy it was to drive.

you should give it a go.. nice to be a little different! :D

Battle_axe 19-01-2010 10:55 PM

ahh u know you want the xxx4G+ really :P :p

Colinevan 19-01-2010 10:59 PM

Iv ran lazers, cat and 501x.

I started with a zx5, but had issues with bevel gears as in my opinion cos i do crash , and i was running a fairly hot motor, i was stripping them and i noticed that the plastics were constantly stripping ( mainly gearbox housings), this was prob down to me crashing . I traded up for a 501x, and it was bomb proof and easier to drive in my opinion. Along came the worlds, and i bought the worlds kit. I ran that for 2 seasons, then bought a cat sx. The 501 drives similar to the cat, but was less twitchy, i had to turn down my servo speed on the cat to compensate.
I was happy with the cat ( phil booth car ) , but i didnt like the price of the spares. I never actually broke anything on it, however everyone around me was spending £30+ each breakage on towers, housings and wishbones and spur gears etc etc.

I sold it and bought a second hand 501x, steve kirks old car to be precise, if you get opportunity id look at a 501x or a 511.

Col. :thumbsup:

AmiSMB 19-01-2010 11:18 PM

I have gone from and X-5 to Cat SX and now the Durango DEX410 and I have felt that I have improved most with the Durango. But it is true any driver with talent should be able to take any car and drive it well as long as they know what they need from the setup of the car. I am still trying to understand what I need to change to get my lap times faster. Trouble that I have is making mistakes due to coming at jumps too fast and over jumping and doing this in electric means that your race is over as you loose so much time. It is also important to get experience at different tracks and surfaces indoors and out so as you get to know the cars reaction to different obstacles. I have noticed that some drivers can take upto a year before their setup settles down and they get very consistent that is if they stay with the car long enough!


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