Nick Griffin on Question Time
 

I watched the whole thing, last night, and the BBC and the Media have played right into his hands, QT was run very badly, last night, almost a shambles, Dimbleby was very biased, and the press have managed to miss-quoted already, in the press, allowing the BNP to complain.

I watched the whole thing, and he has proved one thing, what he says, is misreported, like the Daily Mail saying 'Nick Griffin, Gays make him cringe', whereas what he actualy said was, '2 gay men, kissing in public, makes me cringe', now, I am sure that isn't homophobic, as it makes most people cringe. What lets him down, is what he would want to do, to stop it :woot:

without getting into a massive political debate on here looking at every party's policies it's hard to see another party other than the BNP who actually address sorting the country out.

no one else mentions the ever rising cost of fuel for our cars and the litter of speed cameras on the roads purely to make motorists fund other things.

we had a girl (worked at my work for a while) who had moved here from eastern europe to the UK in the last few years and then was moaning about the lack of benefits her daughter was getting. Now hold on a minute. I have been paying into the national insurance, etc every paycheck as I'm sure most of you have to fund the services and benefits that people like her can walk into our country and claim and then she's moaning it's not enough.

things like that just take the piss really. And if I was to walk into the job centre to look for work (not that I'm unemployed) there would be a 100 questions why, etc before I could get any money out of them (no consideration for the thousands I've paid into it before hand) and the fortnightly checks to see what I've been applying for is like being questioned for a murder

I think Nick Griffin did very well considering the onslaught of near abuse that was thrown at him. Maybe he's not the most likeable man in politics, but the party's policys certainly look good in my opinion

He says some truths, that the main parties don't want to admit, but to be honest, how he intends to solve them, is just disgusting, to be fair, anyone who can say that the Klu Klux Klan is a non-violent organisation, needs one of them jackets that do up from the rear.

Nick Griffin
 

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say:thumbsup:

exactly this

I really hope your wrong!! I thought QT was a joke this week as they all just bullied one guy for the whole hour, but frankly his views are disgusting!

The demonising of immigrants winds me up rotten, they've come here for a better life economically, often at huge risk, they're not just "spongers and leeches". Don't get me wrong, you could certainly argue that as a country we're full and no more should be let in, but remember they're just people looking for a better life!

Also, the whole "multiculturalism can't work" thing is a myth, it works just fine in universities around the world!! It just takes all involved to be sensible and respectful of others!

I'm far more wound up by people who spend their whole live's on benefits, who commit crimes and terrorise neighbourhoods, wherever they are from, than by foreigners who come to live here for a better life!

I work with foreigners on a daily basis and they come and go , they earn money and then leave , they often have cars with no insurance , tax and not road worthy , they would also steal anyone elses job given half the chance , they are only doing the jobs british people dont want to do or are too lazy too do , and to stop this all they would have to do is stop benefits , make people HAVE to get a job so they can actually live in a house , then these people would work , at the moment its too easy not to work and say oh well i got recurring back problems so i cant work

just my opinion of course

the problem is when you hear about the imigrants who have come to this country,not to make a better life through hard work but to live off our benefits system and then claim for the wifes and numerous kids that live back in there native land.

so they live off benefits get a free car and travelling expenses maybe do a bit of agency work(but not enough to have to pay tax)then send any spare money back to there home country:mad:

what ENGLAND needs is a common sense party

its not the colour of peoples skin thats the problem its the way we bring our children up to know the difference between right and wrong

You may hear about those immigrants, I'm just not sure many exist who are like that!!!

Yes they send spare money home to family left behind, which doesn't help our economy, but the one's who do that also go back home after a few years anyway (to where they've put their money!). It's also mney from work they do that with, there's not much left over from benefits!

I seriously doubt many claim benefits for family members who aren't here! Again, maybe a few, but not many, like the stories of whole families passing round one driving license!

They get given cars? Really? How many? I bet not many if any! And why do all the poles where I live (Cheshire) drive old LHD Polish cars if we're giving them away??

Disclaimer: I'm a fully paid up lefty liberal on social policies and right wing free marketeer economically!!

Hard to distinguish the BNP members from the general public on here!! :D

If you don't like living in this country, move. If you don't like the politicians who govern us, vote. The reality is that people prefer to winge without a fact in sight, and prefer a keyboard to the ballot box. What amuses me is people complaining about what the immigrants get away with (allegedly) without for one moment thinking that it is the incompetent white Anglo-Saxon Protestants that run the country who can't get enought police on the streets, Immigration and Customs officers on the borders, or Civil Servants in the Offices of State!

What do you think comes first - people who bend the system, or people who cannot stop the system being bent? Isn't it the case that, faced with an incompetent cashier who gives you too much change, the vast majority of people of any race colour or creed will take it and say nothing? Are you all saying you obey every speed limit all the time even when there's no camera or copper? No.

You all have the chance to change things next year. Vote. It doesn't matter who you vote for, just do it. Every Government elected since WW2 has been elected by the minority of voters. 60-odd% turnout at the last election - what would happen if the other 40% voted for other candidates? They'd win.

Personally I don't agree with anything the BNP says or stands for, but I do not want to live in a country where they are denied the right to say it, especially by a bunch of phone and keyboard jockeys who don't vote. (I don't mean here, but take a look at other forums, and some of the BBC site and 'phone-in feedback to see what I mean).

Despite all that, there is only one thing that winds me up - people who shrug their shoulders, say politicians are all the same, and don't vote. Of course they're all the same, because all the same people vote for them!! Make it your one New Year resolution - to vote, and make sure everyone you know votes. That's how the system works, and being outside it won't change it.

When the French Government tried to change the pension age and benefits for it's people, they rioted and the Government changed back. We have just been similarly shafted and no one says a word. No one is going to change this country for you, you have to change it for yourself. You have that chance next year - don't come back on here complaining if you don't take it. If things are to change, we have to get off our arses and VOTE!!

The soapbox is free now, if anyone else wants a go!! :D

Bang on that man!

Have free speech (I think it was right to have them on the show) so everyones views can be disected, then make sure you put a x against someone on the day!

Tell me why in our own country if we say anything slightly racist we can get taken to court but the polish shop in Wrexham can put a sign in the window NO ENGLISH OR WELSH WILL BE SERVED. but the law wont touch them

Cheri Blair = millions in legal wrangles over PC human rights for everyone except us, look no further:thumbdown:

Totally agree... he is making statements on national tv that I've heard said in every office and factory I've visited around this land (which is a lot..!) that's the idea of a "free" society... you should be able to say anything you like... that is a basic right that my dad and grandad, and lots of other peoples ancestors have fought for...

Nic Griffin was the victim of a BBC supported ploy IMO... I watch QT regularly and have yet to see an audience "loaded" with so many "minority groups" on the show previously...!

i read some graffiti the other day that said "lets burn islam out of britain"!


sounds like as good a start for reform as any :thumbsup:

See, this is the type of rubbish we have to put up with. Your ancestors fought to suppress the colonies (America, India, Iran, Iraq, etc.) by imposing British Rule, and they fought to overthrow the monarchy and install Cromwell as an unelected dictator. The fact is that your ancestors fought as directed by some pretty dumb-ass monarchs, who were not elected, to do their whims. They fought through a sense of duty to their country, something we can now only do by voting - how many posters here feel any sense of duty to their country?

Another fact is that the recent wars (to which I assume you refer) were not won by our fathers and grandfathers. They were won by the might of the Americans (WW1) and the Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR) (WW2). Without the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, etc. we might be speaking German, or still be at War!

In the 50s and 60s the UK Government actively encouraged any number of people from Asia and the Caribbean to come to the UK to do work your ancestors wouldn't do - the very people your ancestors welcomed with open arms you are now slagging off in the pub. If you hold your ancestors in such high esteem, why not behave as they did and welcome others and live with them.

We are living with the unintended consequences of what our ancestors did in both war and peace. Their decisions, that were expedient at the time, are what we are living with now. And, in order to rectify that situation, we have decided not to vote out idiots at the first opportunity - be they councillors (40% voter turnout in local elections) or Parliamentarians (60% turn out in National elections. Remember that when telling us how high and mighty our ancestors were - oh, white Anglo-Saxon ancestors in the main!! ;)

Stop moaning and dashing to repeat crap you've heard on TV or the radio. As George Santayana said (my emphasis in red)...

"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience."

That's what Nick Griffin is, a child or barbarisn, and will remain. History tells us that such views will not prevail, as Oswald Mosely proved in the 1930s, and our 'glorious' ancestors proved too.

Sound off all you like, it's farting against thunder. But just imagine the look on every Labour and Tory MPs' face if we all voted for someone else, and they were mostly out of work? Priceless!!

ditto

slowone... I really don't have a clue what you mean dude...! that was w-a-a-a-y too long a reply and sadly I dropped off after about line 3... BTW, you missed the point completely... oh, and I think the word you were struggling to spell is "barbarian"...

Take a chill pill bill...

p.s. you weren't in the audience the other night were you...

I dont think hes mis-spelled anything bud :) Clearly an academic fella thats all......... way over most peoples heads - mine included. ;)

Are you sure..? check line 21, word 9 again.

Aahhh, an academic... that explains it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarism

One letter is wrong but its hardly Stampy esque is it :woot: ;)

Immigration, is a hot potato at the moment, and it is a circle that will always come round, in times of recession, so people turn on those who have come in, and is working. Personally, I think that, unless you can actually bring a skill to this country, that is needed, you should not be allowed a work permit, but if you got a skill that can help, then great.

The big issue here, is that when the borders were open to Eastern Europe, no controls or measures were put in place, and it has got out of control.

Racial laws are not equal, and there are a lot of other things in this country, that is out of kilter, and, as much as we all agree with some of the observations, that the BNP have made, I don't think many of us would actually agree on their solutions.

Sorry for being frivolous and distracted... but you are right, it's just one letter...

This makes 100% sense to me :) :thumbsup:

Surely people should be judged by their actions, not skin colour? Policies based purely on skin colour are just plain weird, especially in this day and age of the internet etc. It's a pretty small world nowadays.

There's plenty of things that need sorting out in this country, and it ain't going to get better anytime soon, but Griffin and his monkeys would be an absolute disaster if anywhere near power.

Let's talk about the things that matter, perhaps;

Our lack of manufacturing and exports.
Lazy good for nothing benefit claiments etc
Downright feral behaviour / disrespectfulness in society etc.
Our greedy self serving banks.

Things need sorting, but the BNP can Jog On.

Thats 100% truth and the other parties jus dont wanna lose the do gooders vote

Well, if most people agreed, then the politicians wouldn't be concerned about the other views, because they'd have the majority vote!

Fact is most people don't agree with the BNP.

Most people agree there's loads of problems to be sorted, but the BNP aren't the answer.

most people are scared to admit they agree with the BNP

Oh, I think most people will agree with one aspect or another of their policies. And most people will agree that stuff needs sorting, and soon. But the whole racial superiority, holocaust denying stuff and all that - I don't think most people agree with that.

Mind you, politics always get a little 'edgy' during recessions.

I agree with certain arguments from all parties. I want to start my own party. I think ill call it the "lets cut the bullsh*t party"

I dont agree with certain people who sit at home all day who dont have a job live on the dowl then go out take drugs and get pissed everynight if there from poland, america, pakistan wales england scotland any where they piss me off. If they are from another country and they come here to live on the dowl or are involved in crime or have entered the country illegally then send them back!!!!!!

My mum is a teaching assitant at a secondary school and there are kids that come to school with ripped dirty cloths and the only thing that they will eat in the day is the free school dinner there given because there parrents just dont care or there off there head with drugs. This is a discrace that there are people driving round it ferrarri's range rovers etc etc and buying rediculous ammount of food they will never eat and there are small children out there of 11 who hardly eat. WTF is wrong here!!! The system is failling the system needs abolishing snd starting from scratch.

Im perfectly happy for asia's, africans, americans anyone from another country to come and live in the uk if they are law abiding and pay there way like everyone should. Alot of the people who come to our country are often nicer people than some of the people who say they are british.

Prime example my nan went into hospital a few months ago and there was an indian lady who was in the bed next to her and she was saying she had been in there for a month and knowone else had spoken to her on the ward and my nan was the first person who spoke to he and the day the lady left her family bought my nan flowers and home made jewllery etc now there nice people. Ide welcome nice people to the country but not some of the scum that come here now and even worse some of the scum that already live here.

My random 2 pence.

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Good post mate. I'll vote for the 'Let's cut the b*llsh*t party' :thumbsup:

You've hit the nail on the head. It's about how people behave, not what they look like. And talking behaviour, let's just say the BNP don't exactly have a good record on that score. :thumbdown:

The whole racial thing can be easily manipulated for devious means, history is full of examples from all over the world. It always leads to disaster. It's smoke and mirrors.

Well in my experience as a teacher I'd rather teach immigrants than 'home grown'.
In my previous school in Salford, 98% white, the number one career choice for girls was hairdresser. The most popular subject was childcare because unsurprisingly most were pregnant within a year of living (miracle they waited!).
The boys didn't really have a preferred career choice as most planning on being unemployed. As they put it 'why waste your time working when you can live on the social and play Xbox all day'. They weren't being lazy, that really was how they saw the world worked. And their parents agreed - after all that was their experience too.

Now I'm in Moss Side, and my form of 30 represent 16 nationalities. And you speak to the parents who will say things like 'I came to this country to give ....... a better chance in life'. They want to be doctors, or lawyers - they won't settle for dole scrounger! They have hope, ambition and drive - and that also rubs off on our small English contingent. They come from the same basic stock as the Salford lot, but exposure to those who don't expect everything handed to them on a plate has improved many.

Is immigration bad? Not for those I work with. The benefit cheats are mostly white British who feel the nation owes them something for being born here, not those that came to this country seeking to improve their lot.

Unfortunately, I am not an academic. If I were, then I'd have a tenured post with a full inflation-proof pension paid for by the rest of you!! :D :D

But it is interesting that someone simply dismisses it all, and hurls the word 'academic' at my feet as some sort of insult. It also illustrates how low the standard of education has sunk if the strands of modern history are a mystery to most people. Santayana was probably a bridge too far...

As for all this "law-abiding" stuff, white males make up 83% of the prison population, so it is the Brits, the people Nick Griffin wants to support, not the immigrants, who are breaking the Law!! Black British Nationals make up 12% of the prison population.

The BNP do not represent "most" people's views. The latest poll shows that 22% "would consider" voting for them, 3% would probably vote for them, and 38% said they would definitely not vote for them. Or, 78% won't consider voting for them, and 97% probably won't vote for them.

And then there's that wonderful line about the main parties "losing the do-gooders vote." We seem to be a nation of do-gooders, as there were 27 million votes cast at the last General Election, and 24 million of them were for the three main parties! Maybe there is another possible explanation for the main parties not wanting to say what Nick Griffin says - they don't agree with him, or believe in what he says? Nah, that doesn't make a good line down the pub, does it??!!! :D

(For the record, the BNP managed to get 193,000 people, or 0.7% of the vote, to put a cross in their box at the last General Election. Not 'most' people...)

I can echo the stories above about how hard-working and diligent I find the people that Nick Griffin hates and wants to 'send home'. By Griffin's standards, with my mother born in Lahore, and my father's parents being German, I am one he needs to send home. Since my mother's father was Scottish and was in India building railways when she was born, and my father's parents fled Germany to escape the Nazis, I am not sure where home is!!

And since the Norman invasion of 1066 installed a French-speaking monarchy, aristocracy and clerical hierarchy, couldn't we send Nick Griffin back to France?!!! :thumbsup:

Right, my experience is this, the system does suck, as the people who have never worked, know exactly how to bleed the system, but there are lots of us who legitimately claim but are made to jump through hoops to get the basics, and they will NEVER say, oh, did you know you can get this or that. Now, I am in a financial position which means, that I can't get a job, due to the way the system works, I would lost to much, why you may ask...

I am unfortunately, a home owner, now, if I work part time (can't do full time, 5 kids is a full time job) I lose the relief I get on my mortgage, and lots of other things, and I just can't make ends meet on that money, and yes, I have done budgeting to work it out, so I would have to work full time. But if I work full time, they will only help me out, up to 70% of child care, for the first two!! If I had a council house, I could do 16 hours, and have half my rent paid.

Now, as much as the system is wrong, you have to be careful in how you change the system, in as much as, the people who 'genuinely' claim, don't get affected, and trust me, the system NEEDS changing.

The problem with benefits is that many now view them as a default, not a safety net...

I have a relatively simple answer to that problem DCM - I call it National Service. Not like the old National Service, serving in the armed forces, just serving Britain as a whole.

Basically it works like this:

Nobody over school leaving age gets a single penny in support until they have worked a minimum of 1 year in a tax paying job.
Since not everyone leaving school will be able to get such a job, we will have to create some. Actually it might be more 'reallocate' because most of these jobs exist already. I'm talking all the minimum wage, unskilled jobs that exist supporting the civil service. Cleaners, hospital porters, kitchen workers etc at state owned facilities. Currently these go out to contract, but why not use to give these dossers some 'work experience'
Maybe go further - teach them skills and help the country. Get them building roads, cleaning up polluted beaches, planting trees etc. Either way, give something back before you are allowed to claim. Those that have left home can be accommodated in barracks style housing. No council house till you finish.
For those that can't do it, that turn up late, take too many sickies don't do the work etc - they can repeat until they get it right. Those new to the country can do a year too, unless they can get a job just like our school leavers.

Of course no government is every going to try something so radical.