Nick Griffin on Question Time

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As with all good things, shamelessly stolen from another forum.

[DCM]

I watched the whole thing, last night, and the BBC and the Media have played right into his hands, QT was run very badly, last night, almost a shambles, Dimbleby was very biased, and the press have managed to miss-quoted already, in the press, allowing the BNP to complain.

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Tbh I didn’t watch it, I avoid politics shows to keep my blood pressure down. Been reading the news reports though. It’s a shame the BBC didn’t appear to conduct the debate properly, I’m sure given enough rope he’d hang himself without BBC interference.

[DCM]

I watched the whole thing, and he has proved one thing, what he says, is misreported, like the Daily Mail saying 'Nick Griffin, Gays make him cringe', whereas what he actualy said was, '2 gay men, kissing in public, makes me cringe', now, I am sure that isn't homophobic, as it makes most people cringe. What lets him down, is what he would want to do, to stop it

[Big G]

without getting into a massive political debate on here looking at every party's policies it's hard to see another party other than the BNP who actually address sorting the country out.

no one else mentions the ever rising cost of fuel for our cars and the litter of speed cameras on the roads purely to make motorists fund other things.

we had a girl (worked at my work for a while) who had moved here from eastern europe to the UK in the last few years and then was moaning about the lack of benefits her daughter was getting. Now hold on a minute. I have been paying into the national insurance, etc every paycheck as I'm sure most of you have to fund the services and benefits that people like her can walk into our country and claim and then she's moaning it's not enough.

things like that just take the piss really. And if I was to walk into the job centre to look for work (not that I'm unemployed) there would be a 100 questions why, etc before I could get any money out of them (no consideration for the thousands I've paid into it before hand) and the fortnightly checks to see what I've been applying for is like being questioned for a murder

I think Nick Griffin did very well considering the onslaught of near abuse that was thrown at him. Maybe he's not the most likeable man in politics, but the party's policys certainly look good in my opinion

[DCM]

He says some truths, that the main parties don't want to admit, but to be honest, how he intends to solve them, is just disgusting, to be fair, anyone who can say that the Klu Klux Klan is a non-violent organisation, needs one of them jackets that do up from the rear.

[D34no]

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say

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Originally Posted by D34no

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say

exactly this

[DaveG28]

Originally Posted by D34no

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say

I really hope your wrong!! I thought QT was a joke this week as they all just bullied one guy for the whole hour, but frankly his views are disgusting!

The demonising of immigrants winds me up rotten, they've come here for a better life economically, often at huge risk, they're not just "spongers and leeches". Don't get me wrong, you could certainly argue that as a country we're full and no more should be let in, but remember they're just people looking for a better life!

Also, the whole "multiculturalism can't work" thing is a myth, it works just fine in universities around the world!! It just takes all involved to be sensible and respectful of others!

I'm far more wound up by people who spend their whole live's on benefits, who commit crimes and terrorise neighbourhoods, wherever they are from, than by foreigners who come to live here for a better life!

[madwestmo]

I work with foreigners on a daily basis and they come and go , they earn money and then leave , they often have cars with no insurance , tax and not road worthy , they would also steal anyone elses job given half the chance , they are only doing the jobs british people dont want to do or are too lazy too do , and to stop this all they would have to do is stop benefits , make people HAVE to get a job so they can actually live in a house , then these people would work , at the moment its too easy not to work and say oh well i got recurring back problems so i cant work

just my opinion of course

[chalky]

the problem is when you hear about the imigrants who have come to this country,not to make a better life through hard work but to live off our benefits system and then claim for the wifes and numerous kids that live back in there native land.

so they live off benefits get a free car and travelling expenses maybe do a bit of agency work(but not enough to have to pay tax)then send any spare money back to there home country

what ENGLAND needs is a common sense party

its not the colour of peoples skin thats the problem its the way we bring our children up to know the difference between right and wrong

[DaveG28]

Originally Posted by chalky

the problem is when you hear about the imigrants who have come to this country,not to make a better life through hard work but to live off our benefits system and then claim for the wifes and numerous kids that live back in there native land.

so they live off benefits get a free car and travelling expenses maybe do a bit of agency work(but not enough to have to pay tax)then send any spare money back to there home country

what ENGLAND needs is a common sense party

its not the colour of peoples skin thats the problem its the way we bring our children up to know the difference between right and wrong

You may hear about those immigrants, I'm just not sure many exist who are like that!!!

Yes they send spare money home to family left behind, which doesn't help our economy, but the one's who do that also go back home after a few years anyway (to where they've put their money!). It's also mney from work they do that with, there's not much left over from benefits!

I seriously doubt many claim benefits for family members who aren't here! Again, maybe a few, but not many, like the stories of whole families passing round one driving license!

They get given cars? Really? How many? I bet not many if any! And why do all the poles where I live (Cheshire) drive old LHD Polish cars if we're giving them away??

Disclaimer: I'm a fully paid up lefty liberal on social policies and right wing free marketeer economically!!

[SlowOne]

Hard to distinguish the BNP members from the general public on here!!

If you don't like living in this country, move. If you don't like the politicians who govern us, vote. The reality is that people prefer to winge without a fact in sight, and prefer a keyboard to the ballot box. What amuses me is people complaining about what the immigrants get away with (allegedly) without for one moment thinking that it is the incompetent white Anglo-Saxon Protestants that run the country who can't get enought police on the streets, Immigration and Customs officers on the borders, or Civil Servants in the Offices of State!

What do you think comes first - people who bend the system, or people who cannot stop the system being bent? Isn't it the case that, faced with an incompetent cashier who gives you too much change, the vast majority of people of any race colour or creed will take it and say nothing? Are you all saying you obey every speed limit all the time even when there's no camera or copper? No.

You all have the chance to change things next year. Vote. It doesn't matter who you vote for, just do it. Every Government elected since WW2 has been elected by the minority of voters. 60-odd% turnout at the last election - what would happen if the other 40% voted for other candidates? They'd win.

Personally I don't agree with anything the BNP says or stands for, but I do not want to live in a country where they are denied the right to say it, especially by a bunch of phone and keyboard jockeys who don't vote. (I don't mean here, but take a look at other forums, and some of the BBC site and 'phone-in feedback to see what I mean).

Despite all that, there is only one thing that winds me up - people who shrug their shoulders, say politicians are all the same, and don't vote. Of course they're all the same, because all the same people vote for them!! Make it your one New Year resolution - to vote, and make sure everyone you know votes. That's how the system works, and being outside it won't change it.

When the French Government tried to change the pension age and benefits for it's people, they rioted and the Government changed back. We have just been similarly shafted and no one says a word. No one is going to change this country for you, you have to change it for yourself. You have that chance next year - don't come back on here complaining if you don't take it. If things are to change, we have to get off our arses and VOTE!!

The soapbox is free now, if anyone else wants a go!!

[DaveG28]

Bang on that man!

Have free speech (I think it was right to have them on the show) so everyones views can be disected, then make sure you put a x against someone on the day!

[bodgit]

Tell me why in our own country if we say anything slightly racist we can get taken to court but the polish shop in Wrexham can put a sign in the window NO ENGLISH OR WELSH WILL BE SERVED. but the law wont touch them

[purpletimbo]

Cheri Blair = millions in legal wrangles over PC human rights for everyone except us, look no further

[emtee]

Originally Posted by D34no

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say

Totally agree... he is making statements on national tv that I've heard said in every office and factory I've visited around this land (which is a lot..!) that's the idea of a "free" society... you should be able to say anything you like... that is a basic right that my dad and grandad, and lots of other peoples ancestors have fought for...

Nic Griffin was the victim of a BBC supported ploy IMO... I watch QT regularly and have yet to see an audience "loaded" with so many "minority groups" on the show previously...!

[showtime]

i read some graffiti the other day that said "lets burn islam out of britain"!


sounds like as good a start for reform as any

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by emtee

Totally agree... he is making statements on national tv that I've heard said in every office and factory I've visited around this land (which is a lot..!) that's the idea of a "free" society... you should be able to say anything you like... that is a basic right that my dad and grandad, and lots of other peoples ancestors have fought for...

Nic Griffin was the victim of a BBC supported ploy IMO... I watch QT regularly and have yet to see an audience "loaded" with so many "minority groups" on the show previously...!

See, this is the type of rubbish we have to put up with. Your ancestors fought to suppress the colonies (America, India, Iran, Iraq, etc.) by imposing British Rule, and they fought to overthrow the monarchy and install Cromwell as an unelected dictator. The fact is that your ancestors fought as directed by some pretty dumb-ass monarchs, who were not elected, to do their whims. They fought through a sense of duty to their country, something we can now only do by voting - how many posters here feel any sense of duty to their country?

Another fact is that the recent wars (to which I assume you refer) were not won by our fathers and grandfathers. They were won by the might of the Americans (WW1) and the Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR) (WW2). Without the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Czechs, etc. we might be speaking German, or still be at War!

In the 50s and 60s the UK Government actively encouraged any number of people from Asia and the Caribbean to come to the UK to do work your ancestors wouldn't do - the very people your ancestors welcomed with open arms you are now slagging off in the pub. If you hold your ancestors in such high esteem, why not behave as they did and welcome others and live with them.

We are living with the unintended consequences of what our ancestors did in both war and peace. Their decisions, that were expedient at the time, are what we are living with now. And, in order to rectify that situation, we have decided not to vote out idiots at the first opportunity - be they councillors (40% voter turnout in local elections) or Parliamentarians (60% turn out in National elections. Remember that when telling us how high and mighty our ancestors were - oh, white Anglo-Saxon ancestors in the main!!

Stop moaning and dashing to repeat crap you've heard on TV or the radio. As George Santayana said (my emphasis in red)...

"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience."

That's what Nick Griffin is, a child or barbarisn, and will remain. History tells us that such views will not prevail, as Oswald Mosely proved in the 1930s, and our 'glorious' ancestors proved too.

Sound off all you like, it's farting against thunder. But just imagine the look on every Labour and Tory MPs' face if we all voted for someone else, and they were mostly out of work? Priceless!!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by D34no

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say

ditto