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me too, i'm almost drooling here..

come on, spill it :D

I'm sure whoever it was could always PM Lee with it as he obviously wasn't worried about offending anyone when posting it? :D

I don't see anything wrong with travelling over 100mph if the situation is right. In my opinion, when you drive that fast you are concentrating much harder and paying more attention to what's in front of you.

It's just a policy to make the Lib Dems look like they're doing something, but they'll NEVER be in power so it's nothing to worry about.

Anyway, if they limit our cars it'll only be an ECU remap away from being de-restricted. No matter what they do some companies will figure out a way around it.

I wish it was that simple, but a lot of people don't drive with the right amount of due care and attention, and what happens to the middle lane plodder who looks in his mirror, see's you are far away, so pulls out, because you are going extortionately over the limit, he misjudges your speed and you rear end him....

I think the limit on the motorway should be vairable, so at quiet times, it should be 80 or so, but busy times, reduce it, and no, not like the M25 where they have gatso's on the gantry which cause the traffic jams.

speak for yourself! I need a 150mph car, the fiesta tops out at 120 and when I am late for work its a real pain lol

OK why do we pay so much tax on fuel, so the government can make more money!

Can you see them banning cars, or introducing legislation on manufactures to make fuel efficient cars?


What about the most pollution countries, China and India, OK USA are now talking about pollution but look at most of there cars, big cc engines!

I don't see how Europe would make a difference, when you still have far bigger polluting countries doing NOTHING!



[QUOTE=DCM;43461]What an interesting debate indeed, and quite an emotional one for most.

So, I can agree, none of us REALLY have a need for a car that is capable of over 100MPH.... as the legal limit is 70MPH, and yes, we ALL travel faster than that on the motorway. But do you need a 150MPH car, I know I would far prefer the acceleration rather than the top end....
Fuel consumption of cars is also a consideration too, which effects pollution.

Any of it is a ploy to grab more tax off you.

Just watched a program on ITV about 'green' cars, and Hydrogen is the cleanest 'fuel' but evaporates in nine days and takes lots of energy to make. What did surprise me was the Tax bill on recycled cooking oil!

[quote=philly;43639]trust me. i do

[quote=pidge;44621]relax, let it go.

If it was edited it might be cos something was written in the heat of the moment. It could be an emotive subject for whatever reason, best let it slide man!

Increase the peace, let it go bro.

:cool:

[quote=loose;44640]Blooming Hippy!

[quote=philly;44643]lol - yeah brother, but this hippy still kicked your ass all round the sixth form, football pitch, rugby pitch, Jacobs Well, various clubs, Bug Jam, ski slopes, you name it. ;)

;) Peace! :cool:

to be honest i agree with jimmy. coz like 2.7 billion years ago, the world really really cooled down on its own, there were no bugatti veyrons, chinese smog pumping factories or boing 757 airliners. but yet the earth cooled downn on its own. so whose to say that the earth gradually warming up is anything to do with CO frigging 2. all we learn about in science is this matter and im sick of it. lets face it, we are having another ice age in reverse. and there aint much we can do bout it!


NUFF SAID!

also why the hell is the government letting "space flights for anyone" go ahead, if we are supposed to cut down on co2 etc, then isnt this a lil contradictive??? i agree it would be kool going into space, but still if you that bothered bout the earth then it isnt a neccessity.

[quote=loose;44644]
And now the RC track. My misery is complete.:(

Actually, over the last 30 years, the weather has just gone bonkers.... you could say that yes we had a natural ice age, but also, it included a mass extinction event too, didn't it.

In the end, whether it is causing global warming or not, if you live in an industrialised area, your health is effected, period. Where my ex lived, it gave her asthma and all sorts, till she moved away from there.

As for the weather, and this may sound like rose tinted specs, but, winter time we had snow, and I mean SNOW, not a covering, snow drifts etc, summers were sunny and hot, autumn was mixed and wet same for spring, now it don't know what to do, flowers emerging in January etc, something is up. And if CO2 is a possible cause, no harm in trying to change things is it?

i agree mate. sorry

today is a great example of barmy british weather... floods in June... jeeez

and at one time it was fairly hot at the north pole, wasn't any cars about then though :rolleyes:

lol - yeah lets believe the evidence provided by the oil company sponsored scientists, or the clever spin boys who point out that millions of years ago you'd buy a Magnum to cool down in the Antartic. These changes happenning in a few decades that usually take much longer have nothing to do with us pumping tonnes of sh*t into the atmosphere. Just a coincidence of timing!

Just my opinion guys, dont give me any Clarkeson-esque diatribe cos I aint buyin it. Just have a look at the changes in a decade or so to snow lines and weather patterns in more extreme parts of the world. THen look at independant evidence and make your own minds up. I'd like to believe certain things, that its totally normal and that we're totally blameless. Not sure I can though.

But hey, what do I know. ;)

Still not gonna go out and buy aPrius though :D

i work for mercedes were ever car is limited to 155 mph and have driven at these speeds on a road test with customers with complaints ect ,i personaly think 110 is a good limit, but even that is dangerous if the car is not in good nick ,and this will soon be a problem when the govement change the mot test to every 2 years :mad: .merc are developing a system to slow down cars in built up areas eg out side schools play grounds ect ,but with a split second override system to get you out of trouble if needed which should work hope fully:)

is it not the case that crusing down the motorway uses far less fuel than sat in traffic? that being the case reducing congestion would seem to be far better than the top speed of cars.......another thing:

from what i've read cars use far less c02 than we are led to believe as does air travel...so where does it all come from??

Heavy breathing sheep.

This against evidence provided by environmental campaign groups who also spin their case to make things as bad as possible. ;)

You get a bit sick of it when everyone goes on about one side of the argument, passed off as independent evidence, yet anyone expressing a different opinion is 'sponsored by the oil companies' rather than allowed their say so we could actually make our own minds up.

We are all constantly told that CO2 is the biggest problem and cars are the biggest contributor, but things that are conveniently forgotten by the campaigners is that there is more greenhouse gas produced from cows farting than from all the cars on the roads, but I don't see any campaigns to stop us all eating meat.:o We all contribute to the CO2 emissions just by breathing, so the CO2 rise could also be caused by the population explosion in the 20th century, with more people and more animals to feed us all contributing. There has also been increase in solar radiation in the past 20 years that could also be the source of global warming, which means it has nothing to do with us.

I will happily agree the climate is changing, but can be hard to believe a lot of the 'evidence' from either side, especially when most of it is strongly biased one way or the other. For all the expert opinions we have never gone through this in the past so we don't actually know what is going to happen.



Getting back on topic limiting the top speed will make no difference at all to emissions, considering 99.9% of cars never go that fast. Cars in Japan are limited to 112mph maximum, it's not stopped them making Imprezas and Evos which aren't exactly known for their fuel efficiency.

As has been said before modern cars would be more fuel efficient if they EC hadn't insisted on putting lots of safety equipment into cars. It does seem this is something that hasn't been thought through at all, as usual, but will get lots of publicity of the EC.

Removing stupid road calming measures so we don't have to slow down and speed up again and converting bus lanes back to roads will all reduce congestion, which will reduce CO2 emissions. Don't see anyone campaigning for that though.

speed and safety go hand in hand, you make someone 'feel' safe they will be more inclined to go faster. 1 in 10 people sitting in the front of a car still don't wear a seatbelt either.

CO2 effects the ozone layer which allows more solar energy in, causing the greenhouse effect. Nature is all about balance, and when something goes out of balance, it can effect many other things.

maybe we should start a pressure group to get farmers to have catalytic convertors fitted to their cows arses before they can use them in their dairy farm

You work for Esso? ;) Please dont put words in my mouth mate, I never said all evidence from one side of the argument was oil company sponsored, but if you think a chunk of it aint you're deluded. Sure there's as much extreme rubbish coming from the tree huggers, what I was saying was I dont agree when people read the evidence they'd LIKE to believe then bury their head in the sand and say its nothing to do with us!

DCM sums it up pretty well there, its about balance. To carry on as we are (not just with car emmissions, I'm talking more generic) then do nothing to redress the balance is just dumb. Any little helps, cue attempts at humour about recycling donkey farts or something. Its just about forming an opinion about something based on as much evidence as you can. We dont have to dismiss any green issues out of hand to prove what cool petrol heads we are.

I aint no bleedin heart liberal, and I loved my mates V8, and in the right the place I love speed. I just think people who totally deny any culpability are as daft as those chaining themselves to a bush wearing jumper made from knitted hemp.

What do I know though! :D

A modicum of common sense-a breath of fresh air:D
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