Why do we have MEP's who come out with twaddle!!!

[TRF_Tastic]

I have just been reading this story on the bbc news site, about an MEP called Chris Davies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...ry/default.stm

Read and weep at his stupidity!!!

Why do we put idiots like this in a position of power, when we all go and vote next can we take all take a long hard look at the grinning idiot that we are wanting to vote for, if you still like him after looking realy hard and reading all the bull (party fiction) that they come out with then feel free to vote, but if you dont then go elsewhere.

Grrrrr It's people like this that make my blood boil, postion of power should not be used for a personal agenda, it should be used to fight to make lives better for everyone!!!

Rant over for 5 mins.

[Oscar]

"Ban all cars capable of over 101mph" , I don't see a problem with that at all, simply electronically limit the top speed (Japan enforces this on motorcycles already with a 180kph or approx 112mph limit, not sure if they do the same with cars). How fast you can get to the 101mph should be irrelevant

[Medders]

I actually think the priciples behind it make some sort of sense, although as is usual in Europe done in the most silly way.

What is the point on manufacturing cars that do over 100 mph ?? None. Only for the idiots who want to drive around putting their lives and everyone elses at risk.

[Lee]

Track days, one make race series, btcc etc oh and for those who want to go over a ton, personally i have no problem with people driving fast, its when they are driving like a nob that they annoy me. Or the dithering old farts who pull out on you when your 30 ft away.

[jim76]

a couple of years ago i would have thought he was silly, but now as the parent of a young child who was recently hit by a car (luckily he's ok) i would quite like a half decent world for him to grow up in.

Limiting top speed is fine, but as previously said, how fast you get there shouldn't matter as acceleration is good for safe overtaking etc.
I think the main thing they should concentrate on is reducing the emissions not top speed. I'm sure the motor companies can develope new efficient engines that still put out reasonable power.

[Medders]

surely anyone who drives over 100 mph is an idiot full stop (no offence Mark if you read this). At that speed no matter how careful / good a driver you are its just not possible to react if something happens beyond your control. I know this from personal experience. And think of the CO2

[bigred5765]

quick question for those that think high speed on the motorways is wrong how many miles a year do you have to travel on motorways,??
i finsh this post after a few repys

[TRF_Tastic]

A good 65% of my driving is all Motorway or Dualed A roads.

[DCM]

What an interesting debate indeed, and quite an emotional one for most.

Lets get one thing covered right away, I enjoy driving, cars are my life line and couldn't live without one..... but....

I have no need for a car that does over 100MPH
I run on LPG, which, by Carbon rights, is a credit, as it is the fuel normally burnt off at the top of the petroleum distillation process, and it produces far less harmful emissions.

So, I can agree, none of us REALLY have a need for a car that is capable of over 100MPH.... as the legal limit is 70MPH, and yes, we ALL travel faster than that on the motorway. But do you need a 150MPH car, I know I would far prefer the acceleration rather than the top end....
Fuel consumption of cars is also a consideration too, which effects pollution.

BUT there is a downside to this... how hard would it then be to limit the speed of your car in built up areas.... what about older cars that don't have the limiter fitted? If they want it to work, then they must do it in a positive sense and offer the modification to a car (not that mine will do a ton any more) and not use a BIG stick approach for compliance.

[bigred5765]

another quick point to add, and I'm talking in the eyes of the court of law,
what is the minimum speed a police officer can book you for speeding on the motorway,??
and what do you think is a good speed to travel at on motorways

[DCM]

there used to be a speedometer tolerance, if I remember rightly, but I think it comes more down to targets these days, not whether you are doing 90MPH on a deserted motorway or on a congested M25....

[Lee Martin]

Originally Posted by Medders

surely anyone who drives over 100 mph is an idiot full stop (no offence Mark if you read this). At that speed no matter how careful / good a driver you are its just not possible to react if something happens beyond your control. I know this from personal experience. And think of the CO2

i think your wrong personally.

utterly wrong.

and its always about the CO2.....

did you know a whole season in formula 1...the most Co2 producing car, is less Co2 than 1 transatlantic flight....

worried about the CO2???

banned planes!

[bigred5765]

there still is its your speed plus 10% speedo inaccuracy plus 2 MPH
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/speedlimits.html
see paragraph starting
Motorway speed limits

but these limits were set back in 1965, when the average car was a ford Anglia with a top speed of 85 mph on a good day, with drum brakes and a stopping distance of over 260 feet, most poorly maintained cars of todays age can half that,and things like the peugeot 106 with abs can cut this buy nearly a third again.
well said pidge its not the cars we need to worry about,limiting cars will only lead to people running older less economical cars that will do the high speeds,pointless

[DCM]

but that is a seperate debate, and there are now companies offering ways to off-set your carbon credit when you take a flight. You could also say, most flights are essential and some are pleasure, F1 isn't essential at all.

F1 is also trying to go the gree route with Bio fuels and other sources being looked at.

I will admit, as much as we decrease our CO2, China, Japan, Taiwan and America are increasing, at a scary rate.

[bigred5765]

co2 would be removed completely if the fuel companies allowed us to run hydro fuels or nitro based ones which are easier to make and more efficient

[Chrislong]

The 70mph limit was created when most cars would struggle to reach it! The only reason it has not risen is the source of revenue by catching us speeding.

The speed which they catch us speeding is the speed limit + 10% + 2mph. So in a 70 limit it is 79mph. I recently got caught doing 36mph in a 30, and looked deeply into the in's and out's... this info came from a police forum.

With todays cars and radial tyres (rather than cross-ply) we can safely travel at 100MPH.

In Japan the cars are restricted just the same as motorbikes, and also the cruise control cannot be set at anything over 68mph. Japanese cars in the UK are usually chipped which derestricts all these limiters and also converts KPH to MPH.

If we were to have a speed governor fitted to our cars, it should only be made switcheable from under the bonnet for the purpose of track days, rolling roads etc...

I am all for transponderised speed governing, so the car can't exceed speed limits. We can still accelerate fast, but before this I think the speed limits on 80% of roads really do need reconsidering.... Rather than GPSing our cars and fine us for ever instance of exceeding the limit.

Chris

[Lee Martin]

lets just live how we want to live..................................

i like driving and will not stop doing so...its part of my pleasure.....

a hobbie!

and noone REALLY needs to fly anywhere.......

[Nick Goodall]

So banning cars from doing 100mph will really make a big difference around towns when kids are getting hit at anything from 40 - 70mph?? Would it make a difference if a kid was hit at 99mph or 120mph?? I personally think limiting the top speed is not the answer, if you're going to limit speed of cars it should be in the 30's and 40's - limiting them to 100mph isn't going to save lives on any sort of grand scale.Look at the Autobahn's in Germany, they have less accidents than we do on our motorways and they don't even have a speed limit. Most of their cars are limited to 155mph but as said, the difference of crashing at 100mph or 150 odd would really not be that big - it's going to be a big one whatever happens if it's anything around those kind of speeds.The problem you really have is where do you stop? The police have a job to do, hence speed camera's and traffic police - people NEED to be able to break the law, it will always happen and you cannot control everything people do. If you choose to do over 100mph in an area you feel is safe, i.e desserted motorway then i personally think it's up to you - it's your choice to take the chance.It's the local reeeeeeeeeetards that wrag about through the town in their chavved up 1.2's that are the problem, their cars won't even do 100mph but they're far more dangerous to anyone else on the road driving like tw@'s around congested / built up areas.

[jimmy]

c02 - thats like that stuff that was already in the air before being turned into fuels isn't it. Slowly moving to different fuels is great, but hype over 'CO2' is incredibly over blown - a way to tax us more some cynical people would suggest.

Tax people who exercise I say - they breath out more CO2 than lazy people.

[jimmy]

Originally Posted by pidge

lets just live how we want to live..................................

i like driving and will not stop doing so...its part of my pleasure.....

a hobbie!

and noone REALLY needs to fly anywhere.......

I don't fancy a 3 week stint on a container ship to Australia - Think I'll fly if it's all the same to you Lee