Lazer zx 'S' ??

[BORMAC]

I was wondering if anyone might have any pics of the very rarely seen Lazer ZX 'S'.It was obviously after the ZXR and before the ZX5.Cheers-Jason.

[Scoobster]

Jason there are 2 versions the ZXS and the ZXS Evo but anyway here's a few photos of my new built ZXS Evo

[BORMAC]

That car looks HOT!!! Very sexy indeed. I recently bought a Lazer ZXR from Bender and it has the ZXS body,undertray and the blue steering set up. What was the difference between the ZXS and ZXS EVO?

[Scoobster]

The ZXS came out around 1996 in very few numbers just for the Japanese market and the Evo came out around 2001 again in very few numbers the evo had the blue steering set up and an alloy front kick up section to the cabon chassis where the ZXS had a 1 part carbon chassis, the original ZXS also had Yokomo YZ10 style wheels and hubs (the type with the 2/4 screws to hold the wheels on) other that that i'm not 100% sure as i don't have my ZXS any more but i know Welshy who comes on here still has it along with a couple of ZXS Evo's so he might be able to tell you a little more

Any pics of your ZXR Jason?

I'm a bit of a Lazer collector and i have a New Built ZX, NIB ZXR, ZXR-R, New Built ZXS Evo and the ZX5

[terry.sc]

Differences between the ZX-S and ZX-S Evo

ZX-S was originally developed as a car for the team to run at the 1995 World Champs, later it was released in 1996 as a limited production run. The ZX-S Evo was released in 2000 but was only available to order direct from Kyosho.

ZX-S has a one piece carbon chassis with kick up moulded in at front, Evo has a flat chassis with a separate alloy front section for the kick up.

ZX-S fitted with Losi shocks, Evo fitted with Kyoshos Pro Shocks.

Alloy parts on the ZX-S weren't anodized, Evo parts were anodized blue.

ZX-S came with Yokomo wheels and adapters, Evo came with white versions of the Kyosho Lazer wheels.

[Funkymojo]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

Differences between the ZX-S and ZX-S Evo

ZX-S was originally developed as a car for the team to run at the 1995 World Champs, later it was released in 1996 as a limited production run. The ZX-S Evo was released in 2000 but was only available to order direct from Kyosho.

ZX-S has a one piece carbon chassis with kick up moulded in at front, Evo has a flat chassis with a separate alloy front section for the kick up.

ZX-S fitted with Losi shocks, Evo fitted with Kyoshos Pro Shocks.

Alloy parts on the ZX-S weren't anodized, Evo parts were anodized blue.

ZX-S came with Yokomo wheels and adapters, Evo came with white versions of the Kyosho Lazer wheels.

Great description mate but you got the blue anodised parts on the Evo wrong...the Evo came with silver parts just like the ZX-S...blue anodised parts on the Evo were only available on Japanese team Kyosho drivers cars...i had 2 ZX-S Evos that belonged to Ex Kyosho driver Shinya Kimura..the car had fully blue anodised parts and certain prototype parts that were not available on the standard production model...sold both cars to Welshy40...maybe he could post some pics?

[terry.sc]

Wasn't sure on that, but just about every Evo I've ever seen has had the alloy parts in blue.

[Scoobster]

Yeah and not all the ZXS Evos had the Kyosho Pro Shocks as mine has Losi Shocks but either way they are still awesome cars

[BORMAC]

Thankyou guys for yet again showing me that this forum is definately the best place to come for information on anything 1/10 electric off road.

[Mr X]

wow thats a really good looking car. i noticed them front arms and the mount. the hinge pins are inside a piece of aluminium and the arms are super beefy. if it handles good that car would be amazing to race with.

[Welshy40]

Here you go guys, I have removed the original shocks, but I have the two team cars (Blue alloy) and a ZXS with the losi shocks, yok wheels and one piece chassis, which I have to say is better than the two piece. I will copy that and replace the two piece sooner or later.

The diffs are slightly different in design, the driveshafts are different in fact much better than anything made today by kyosho, and there are slight differences on the layshaft and slipper clutch. Oh yeah and the chassis on the team cars have servo post holes so they can be screwed in, unlike the ZXS where it copies the YZ10 where yoy have to glue and tie wrap it in

I have managed to fit an ultima RB type R servo saver as well so should be interesting.No pics as of yet.

Check out this site and you can see more

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/s...&pp=25&page=37

[Lee]

Welshy,

In what way is the design on this car better than on the current crop of cars, from the layout i see it seems that all the weight is in the back half of the chassis?

[Chrislong]

They do look very retro/bling.

I never knew that there was a competition buggy after the ZXR, was there a reason that nobody bought it - was it simply never offered to the UK?

[terry.sc]

After the ZX-R there was the ZX-R mark2 and the ZX-RR, both updates of the original ZX-R, before the ZX-S and ZX-S Evo.

The ZX-S was never imported to the UK by Ripmax, maybe due to the price but by 1996 Ripmax wasn't supporting buggy racing anyway. Tower Hobbies did sell them in the US, but based on their prices its retail price in the UK would have been around £400-500 - in 1996. Couldn't see them shifting many at that price when competition buggies were around £200.

The later ZX-S Evolution was only available direct from Kyosho to special order, which made it a Japan only release, unless you wanted to get every spare to order from Tokyo.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Lee

Welshy,

In what way is the design on this car better than on the current crop of cars, from the layout i see it seems that all the weight is in the back half of the chassis?

Mmmm thats not what I see. The motor is in front of the rear axles, so is further forwards from the back. Also the gearbox is not a solid casing, just a few plates of carbon fibre upright gives strength and is much lighter.

The batteries are almost central but unlike the cars made and used today the weight isnt one sided, and not unbalanced.

The weight of the motor is central on the chassis and not like everything else made today on one side of the car. The batteries are evenly placed on either side of the chassis, as well as the placement of the servo and esc. Its easier to work with and set up.

If I was going to alter anything it would be the placement of the cells, they would be 3mm closer together on either side of the centre of the chassis (ZXS chassis not EVO), as it makes it unbelieveably balanced and easy to drive. (I have tried this design on a ZXR and it was stunning.)

There was something Terry missed off, this won the Japanese nationals when Masami was winning everything (he is still the most gifted driver in the world, hes won 14 worlds) and Masami was second with his YZ10.

[PaulRotheram]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

If I was going to alter anything it would be the placement of the cells, they would be 3mm closer together on either side of the centre of the chassis (ZXS chassis not EVO)

that may have already happened due to the new cells being somewhat larger than the oldskool cells.

natural evolution!

[Welshy40]

Scoobster - nice paint job.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by PaulRotheram

that may have already happened due to the new cells being somewhat larger than the oldskool cells.

natural evolution!

Paul,

Sorry I might have not explained myself properly. The standard 4200 cells fit perfectly, but I would have the cell holes moved further inwards towards the centre of the chassis by 3 or 4mm on either side so the battery wire is almost touching. It just makes the car turn and jump with more response and balance.

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Mmmm thats not what I see. The motor is in front of the rear axles

The batteries are almost central but unlike the cars made and used today the weight isnt one sided, and not unbalanced.

The weight of the motor is central on the chassis and not like everything else made today on one side of the car. The batteries are evenly placed on either side of the chassis

Which recent 4wd's have the motor behind the rear axle???

Most 4wd cars these days have saddle packs exactly the same as the legendary kyosho, so they aren't unbalanced.

Losi XX4 has the motor in the centre and cells split, just like the kyosho. I think most belt cars have the motor placed centrally with saddle packs. Shaft drive cars have the motor as close to the centre with saddle packs.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

Which recent 4wd's have the motor behind the rear axle???

Most 4wd cars these days have saddle packs exactly the same as the legendary kyosho, so they aren't unbalanced.

Losi XX4 has the motor in the centre and cells split, just like the kyosho. I think most belt cars have the motor placed centrally with saddle packs. Shaft drive cars have the motor as close to the centre with saddle packs.

Actually the motor is not central on the XX4, or even the tamiya 501x and the Yokomo and the XXX4. Then the shafts as you have admitted that the weight isnt balanced (even though the Tamiya Manata Ray was)

You should take a look at the XX4 and you will see. The motor is not bang in the middle, but on the side, as the gearbox is slightly off centre, so it is not perfectly balanced.

The ZXS motor is right dead centre of the chassis, the spur gear is on the side of the car.

If you look at the cars sold nowadays the motor is unbalancing the chassis, as it isnt central on the middle of the chassis, but on the side of the gearbox (like the tamiya 501x and Yokomo) and if the batts are on one side even more unbalanced.