BRCA EB Battery Regs Announced

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by SHY

My personal guess is that it was impossible or not practical to make saddles small enough to fit the size specs.

Lipo cells are made up of flat layers, usually folded over to fit in whatever case or covering is needed. Making a pack to fit the EFRA smaller dimensions is technically simple, you just make the sheets smaller to start with. The problem is of course that the smaller surface area reduces the capacity, and you would have to change production to make slightly smaller cells specifically for saddle packs which have a relatively limited demand, instead of using the same cells as in the more popular stick packs.

It know it may sound radical, but I don't see why we couldn't all follow IFMAR rules. EFRA could then just be a sub-organization of IFMAR. Doing what they do today, but all rules would be IFMAR rules.

The problem with that is that nothing would ever change as all the organisations have to agree to changes.
As an example look at 1/12th scale. We all raced 6 cell in them until as they were getting too fast the BRCA voted in a change to 4 cell. It was successful in the UK, so was then adopted by EFRA and eventually IFMAR. On the other hand at the 2006 worlds an IFMAR meeting tried to change the rules to say that 1/12th worlds should be run on carpet only, like the majority of the world does. Thanks to ROAR disagreeing this change this years worlds was on the TC tarmac track, got low attendance, and the first two cars were the only ones who had tarmac specific tyres.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by SHY

But again, if you are... I still cannot understand why there's no information around...

As the battery manufacturers have until the end of January to submit lipo packs we won't be hearing what has and hasn't been approved until then.

[SHY]

LOL! What a mess...

Doesen't bother us much though, we'll be flexible. As long as we can identify it from the ROAR or EFRA list. And it's securely held together we'll let people race with it. After all, this is basically in place for safety reasons. We go by K.I.S.S. ideology - Keep It Simple Stupid!

We really need more professional organizations governing RC. And it'd better be global! I really, really hope the reorganization of EFRA will happen!!!

RC is so professional now that we really do need more professional organizations. As to EFRA there's more than enough funds available for it to hire people full time. We can then also expect more from them. Not to mention criticize without fearing that people that do volunteer work get fed up and quit.

I totally see your point Terry, but I believe this is down to all "officials" doing this on their spare time. And that's far from the same as someone being hired to do this as a full time job. For instance: remember what the IFMAR web page used to look like? A first attemt at a personal home page... we need to step up the game!

I'd love to see something like this: Only IFMAR - with one office in US, South America, Asia, Europe, Australia. All countries in the world could be members. Voting could be done via traditional AGMs, but also via electronic voting systems.

I know Dallas for one has worked his ass off for EFRA (and now also IFMAR), and mostly he's been rewarded with his wife constantly threatening to leave him... hire the bloke!

Does anyone have knowledge as to how this is being done in full scale racing? FIA etc?

[SHY]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

As the battery manufacturers have until the end of January to submit lipo packs we won't be hearing what has and hasn't been approved until then.

If I was a manufacturer and had managed to make one I'd sure as hell leak some info... think about the hype and sales potential!

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by SHY

If I was a manufacturer and had managed to make one I'd sure as hell leak some info... think about the hype and sales potential!

But what if you were'nt able to deliver on time for whatever reason, you'd have people relying on you to release a product and then rushing round like crazy at the last minute to sort an alternative.

In my truck in Florida I ran a LiPo pack I'd made myself, it's way too long and too high. It didn't explode or injure anyone, and fits in the T4 with some longer battery strap screws, no other mods needed - so whats the issue?

[DaveG28]

Have heard back from Paul, first list currently planned around the end of January, sounds like he's certainly working hard on it all!

I'm hopeful a saddle pack or 2 will be on there as well!

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

In my truck in Florida I ran a LiPo pack I'd made myself, it's way too long and too high. It didn't explode, injure anyone, and fits in the T4 with some longer battery strap screws, no other mods needed - so whats the issue?

OMG I want to see this pack. What safety clothing must I wear to share the same postcode as this pack?

[Belsten]

Does the LRP stick fit the dimensions ?

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

OMG I want to see this pack. What safety clothing must I wear to share the same postcode as this pack?

None thats my point

It isn't even hard cased, although the monster heatshrink I used is so thick it might as well be

[SHY]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

None thats my point

It isn't even hard cased, although the monster heatshrink I used is so thick it might as well be

Try and short it and you'll get the picture fairly quickly...

[DaveG28]

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[Chequered Flag Racing]

deleted at a worried man's request

[SHY]

Originally Posted by DaveG28

removed on request

That's very good news!!!

What's the mAh rating for those packs?

[DaveG28]

Originally Posted by Chequered Flag Racing

Last time I quoted Paul from a private email he was non to happy

Expect to here from him soon , and I guess I'll get one to for starting the thread

Oops, was wondering, that's why so took a while to post it and chose a none specific bit! I mean, I have no special access so thought this was better than potentially many more emailing!

Will edit by post, can youdo the same to yours so the quotes removed??

[3975dave]

Originally Posted by Northy

Again, it is not possible to pick and choose which rules have to be and don't have to be followed at regionals. It is all laid out in the rule book.

G

I can see how a rule like that is ok for nationals where you are oversubscibed but how can it be good for regionals. I for one have never been to an oversubscribed regional. To turn people away is madness and can only harm the sport at that level.

[DaveG28]

Originally Posted by SHY

That's very good news!!!

What's the mAh rating for those packs?

Shy, can you please remove your quote too?

I didn't have any specific info and got the impression that was deliberate, so haven't followed up!

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Originally Posted by DaveG28

deleted at a worried man's request

Now your for it. I bet he's read it already

I quoted the whole lot so you may get away without the wrath of the BRCA coming down on you

Isn't everthing out in cybrespace in google cahce anyway?

Google takes a snapshot of each page it examines and caches (stores) that version as a back-up.

[DaveG28]

Well, best can do now is try to remove the quotes!

Really didn't think it would be a problem, as my info was quite vague!

Although I notice you haven't removed the quote!

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Originally Posted by DaveG28

Well, best can do now is try to remove the quotes!

Although I notice you haven't removed the quote!

You can wipe the sweat of your brow and stop looking over your shoulder now

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

Lipo cells are made up of flat layers, usually folded over to fit in whatever case or covering is needed. Making a pack to fit the EFRA smaller dimensions is technically simple, you just make the sheets smaller to start with. The problem is of course that the smaller surface area reduces the capacity, and you would have to change production to make slightly smaller cells specifically for saddle packs which have a relatively limited demand, instead of using the same cells as in the more popular stick packs.

The problem with that is that nothing would ever change as all the organisations have to agree to changes.
As an example look at 1/12th scale. We all raced 6 cell in them until as they were getting too fast the BRCA voted in a change to 4 cell. It was successful in the UK, so was then adopted by EFRA and eventually IFMAR. On the other hand at the 2006 worlds an IFMAR meeting tried to change the rules to say that 1/12th worlds should be run on carpet only, like the majority of the world does. Thanks to ROAR disagreeing this change this years worlds was on the TC tarmac track, got low attendance, and the first two cars were the only ones who had tarmac specific tyres.

cheaper ones maybe definatly not the good competition packs