CREAM DEX210 carbon front tower/aluminium mounts

[Cream]

Goodness me isn't this getting out of hand?

I stand by my original comments. In that they are a copy of what I produced. EVERY front tower that was made for the DEX210 prior to mine was a flat carbon sheet.

My comment about chosing to make it from "better material" was to do with anodizing not anyone elses product. I chose to make the mounts out of a high grade aluminium that resists corrosion better and is also very high tensile, meaning it is less likely to strip threads.

As for advertizing, I PM'ed Jimmy on a number of occasions, without reply, if it's any buisness of yours?

Brass part.. RDRP showed a rendered images of a direct copy of the original part with a brass render. Don't think that gives them the right to be the only ones producing the part.

Just so there is no confusion I'll up date the title to read 'Cream DEX210 carbon front tower/aluminium mounts'

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Cream

Goodness me isn't this getting out of hand?

I stand by my original comments. In that they are a copy of what I produced. EVERY front tower that was made for the DEX210 prior to mine was a flat carbon sheet.

My comment about chosing to make it from "better material" was to do with anodizing not anyone elses product. I chose to make the mounts out of a high grade aluminium that resists corrosion better and is also very high tensile, meaning it is less likely to strip threads.

As for advertizing, I PM'ed Jimmy on a number of occasions, without reply, if it's any buisness of yours?

Brass part.. RDRP showed a rendered images of a direct copy of the original part with a brass render. Don't think that gives them the right to be the only ones producing the part.

Just so there is no confusion I'll up date the title to read 'Cream DEX210 carbon front tower/aluminium mounts'

Noel, before getting too smug, go back and read post 117 of this thread, it is all yours and you have accused people of copying you, I would happily have kept this sort of thing private or by PM, but you started the accusations so let it not be me to be the one that is accused of starting this "he copied him" situation since it was you with your post, you brought Exotek into the thread forthe first time, not me advertising their brand, since you tried to make them look bad for being more expensive than you did you not..... I dont agree with what Tresray have done to you, (Blatantly ripping you off with an exact and direct copy after agreeing to distribute yours) I think it stinks, but please dont take it out on every other brand out there who makes a part like yours (wether it be before or after you).....

Getting out of hand?? not really imho, just sticking up for the facts and what is right and correcting the wrong assumptions some of you are making or being told...

To stand there and have the front "still" to call these a copy when the idea is "proven" not to be yours amazes me, just to admit the idea was in fact not yours several posts ago would have stopped it "getting out of hand" as you say. I dont think anyone will see you as a criminal or anything for admitting you got the idea from K-Factory, since you have as you rightly say improved on it (with your wrap around style) and made it avialable for other cars now, but stop trying to insist the idea is all yours and everyone else is copying it.........

Better material - so are you still saying that you "know" that "any" of the other manufacturers you refer to do not use the same high quality materials that also resist corrosion better etc for a fact then, simple answer is you dont know this fors sure, you do know your material is very good, but cannot be sure what others are using and assume it may be inferior, so how can you claim it?

Advertising, as an advertiser on oOple, paying to sell and advertise products on the forum I guess then yes it does affect me. My point though was that your thread had been started in an open area of the forum, which is free to dicuss by all rather than in an exclusive area which it is not.

RDRP Brass, again please, please check your facts to save yourself looking silly on this, I have already said, in the other thread, that "production samples" from RDRP were in circulation (actual parts not rendered images - I have pictures here on my PC fitted to a DEX210) from late last year (yes before anyone else) and not sure if you know or not, but the owner of RDRP (Michael Vollmer) was actually the designer of the DEX210, he created the parts for the car, all of them, so when it comes to making alternatives from other materials etc why oh why would he change the design, it would be saying he got the shape or dimensions wrong in the first place if he did, and not sure then how he can be accused of copying himself in the design of them, he created the original's?? No-one is saying no-one can make alternatives, but then does the same not apply to the front towers too..... You cant have the cake and eat it..

[Cream]

Originally Posted by Darren Boyle

Noel, before getting too smug, go back and read post 117 of this thread, it is all yours and you have accused people of copying you, I would happily have kept this sort of thing private or by PM, but you started the accusations so let it not be me to be the one that is accused of starting this "he copied him" situation since it was you with your post, you brought Exotek into the thread forthe first time, not me advertising their brand, since you tried to make them look bad for being more expensive than you did you not..... I dont agree with what Tresray have done to you, (Blatantly ripping you off with an exact and direct copy after agreeing to distribute yours) I think it stinks, but please dont take it out on every other brand out there who makes a part like yours (wether it be before or after you).....

Getting out of hand?? not really imho, just sticking up for the facts and what is right and correcting the wrong assumptions some of you are making or being told...

To stand there and have the front "still" to call these a copy when the idea is "proven" not to be yours amazes me, just to admit the idea was in fact not yours several posts ago would have stopped it "getting out of hand" as you say. I dont think anyone will see you as a criminal or anything for admitting you got the idea from K-Factory, since you have as you rightly say improved on it (with your wrap around style) and made it avialable for other cars now, but stop trying to insist the idea is all yours and everyone else is copying it.........

Better material - so are you still saying that you "know" that "any" of the other manufacturers you refer to do not use the same high quality materials that also resist corrosion better etc for a fact then, simple answer is you dont know this fors sure, you do know your material is very good, but cannot be sure what others are using and assume it may be inferior, so how can you claim it?

Advertising, as an advertiser on oOple, paying to sell and advertise products on the forum I guess then yes it does affect me. My point though was that your thread had been started in an open area of the forum, which is free to dicuss by all rather than in an exclusive area which it is not.

RDRP Brass, again please, please check your facts to save yourself looking silly on this, I have already said, in the other thread, that "production samples" from RDRP were in circulation (actual parts not rendered images - I have pictures here on my PC fitted to a DEX210) from late last year (yes before anyone else) and not sure if you know or not, but the owner of RDRP (Michael Vollmer) was actually the designer of the DEX210, he created the parts for the car, all of them, so when it comes to making alternatives from other materials etc why oh why would he change the design, it would be saying he got the shape or dimensions wrong in the first place if he did, and not sure then how he can be accused of copying himself in the design of them, he created the original's?? No-one is saying no-one can make alternatives, but then does the same not apply to the front towers too..... You cant have the cake and eat it..

Not quite sure where I'm getting smug?

Are they more expencive? Yes, that is what I pointed out on a thread that I started about my product. Yes I'm upset they have been copied. Would you not be?

Having said that people will make there own mind up if the others have copied what I have done.

I haven't made any claims about what others have made their products out of. I said and will do for another time that the material I chose has good corrosion resistance so doesn't need anodizing. Your the one that implied that I was saying their product was not.

RDRP, I stand corrected, so many companies names being mentioned I'm loosing track. They make the all ali front tower, Which if I wanted I could copy. Have I? No.


If you want to have a blobby fit about me not having an Advertising section that's up to you. I'll not worry about it untill Jimmy contacts me about it. After all it's his website.
As for your comments about me not having distributors etc. Again is that any of your concern? I do everything from developing to making to selling the products. Usually getting orders out the following day right up to midnight. I also have given disscount to distributors, Tresrey-usa being one of them. Look where that got me, and yourself for that matter.


Think I've covered evreything there. If not I'm sure you'll point it out.

[Darren Boyle]

You acccuse the thread of dragging on, then keep coming back and adding another dig.....

Originally Posted by Cream

Not quite sure where I'm getting smug?.

In your last three posts my friend....

Originally Posted by Cream

Are they more expencive? Yes, that is what I pointed out.

More expensive, but anodised and etched (round we go again) you admitted that costs more to do already....

Originally Posted by Cream

People will make there own mind up if the others have copied what I have done.

Indeed so just leave it rather than you did on post 117

Originally Posted by Cream

I haven't made any claims about what others have made their products out of. I said and will do for another time that the material I chose has good corrosion resistance so doesn't need anodizing. Your the one that implied that I was saying their product was not.

Changed your mind now then, please read what you wrote previous (before you edit any more of it)

Originally Posted by Cream

RDRP, I stand corrected, so many companies names being mentioned I'm loosing track. They make the all ali front tower, Which if I wanted I could copy. Have I? No.

A little pointless to mention, but again RDRP were accused (not by you I will add but one of your customers) of copying you on the brass hinge pin mounts, although they were first, as I have shown, more than once. I think an all alloy fornt tower is cool, why dont you do one too if you can?

Originally Posted by Cream

If you want to have a blobby fit about me not having an Advertising section that's up to you. I'll not worry about it untill Jimmy contacts me about it. After all it's his website.

No "blobby" fit here, but dont expect threads to be all yours with no other opinions allowed unless you pay for them....

Originally Posted by Cream

As for your comments about me not having distributors etc. Again is that any of your concern? I do everything from developing to making to selling the products. Usually getting orders out the following day right up to midnight.

Yes we all do that here too (and more), hence why I am still on oOple defending my brands at 11pm. You insist to mention you are cheaper, (you did it again in this last reply) compare apples with apples, you have one man/one company only profiting from your items, they "should" be the cheapest (by miles)

Originally Posted by Cream

I also have given discount to distributors, Tresrey-usa being one of them. Look where that got me, and yourself for that matter.

Not sure what you mean there I already said what I thought of Treray in respect of you (stuck up for you again), however regrads us we only ever stocked your items, promoted them and helped sell more then you possibly would have juts on your own, we also supplied you our towers at trade price so you could sell them too, not sure how that did not help in any way??

Goodness me, I have stuck up for your products ALL the way through this, I have not knocked them once, I have been nothing but fair in the points I have made throughout and you say I am the one having the blobby fit........ pot kettle springs to mind mate.

If you are happy, leave it there, let the public decide by what they choose to buy......

[Cream]

Darren you know what, What ever. Your the one that keeps replying.

I'll let the readers make their own mind up.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Cream

Darren you know what, What ever. Your the one that keeps replying.

LOL, one more reply just for you then to add to yours LOL

Originally Posted by Cream

I'll let the readers make their own mind up.

Woohoo we agree, I just said that above.......

[av4625]

good luck dude :/ hes doing himself no favours

and to just clarify i said it was his thread well he started it was what i meant if you want to say something good about anouther brand start a thread dont bash some1 else in doing so in a thread they started or make a comparison thread for example "which DEX210 shocktower do u prefer" even make a poll or somefin!

[Cream]

Originally Posted by av4625

good luck dude :/ hes doing himself no favours

and to just clarify i said it was his thread well he started it was what i meant if you want to say something good about anouther brand start a thread dont bash some1 else in doing so in a thread they started or make a comparison thread for example "which DEX210 shocktower do u prefer" even make a poll or somefin!

Thankyou,

I was going to post something else but just can't be arsed.

[av4625]

Originally Posted by Cream

Thankyou,

I was going to post something else but just can't be arsed.

he says ur replying and then he does??????? wat lol

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by av4625

good luck dude :/ hes doing himself no favours

and to just clarify i said it was his thread well he started it was what i meant if you want to say something good about anouther brand start a thread dont bash some1 else in doing so in a thread they started or make a comparison thread for example "which DEX210 shocktower do u prefer" even make a poll or somefin!

I think you miss the point completely with that comment. I have not said anywhere any one is better than any other (you are accusing me of that) I have said they are ALL very good, the accusations "came" (past tense now) from Noel at the time, I have not "bashed" Noels products anywhere (please show me if I have), it is not me who wants a "comparison poll", since it is not me who drew the comparisons in price and quality in the first place, read all the above and the previuos page if you dont believe me.......

Remember that this thread was dead until last week and had not been posted in for 5 months until Noels post (117) were the accusations started against a brand that we distribute, now put yourself in my shoes as a distributor and see if you would not do the same

Here is the post that started it all by Cream 1 week ago (over 5 months after the last reply) the same week the Exotek one was announced.....

"Well after release of yet another copy of this tower, I'm still very happy to say mine is still looking great value at £28.00

With Treserys retailing at £33.99
and Exotek having a RRP £37.99


Cream replacment towers being £13.00

Treserys retailing at £18.49"

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by av4625

he says ur replying and then he does??????? wat lol

It was a light hearted joke, hence why I put the after it.

Again, just read if from the beginning, then see who accused who of what

[Cream]

Originally Posted by Darren Boyle

I think you miss the point completely with that comment. I have not said anywhere any one is better than any other (you are accusing me of that) I have said they are ALL very good, the accusations "came" (past tense now) from Noel at the time, I have not "bashed" Noels products anywhere (please show me if I have), it is not me who wants a "comparison poll", since it is not me who drew the comparisons in price and quality, read all the above and previuos page if you dont believe me.......

Rememebr that this htread was dead until last week and had not been posted in for 5 months unitl Noels post (117) wwre the accusations started against a brand we distribute, now put yourself in my shoes as a dsitributor and see if you would not so the same

Here is the post that started it all by Cream 1 week ago (over 5 months afterthe last reply) the same week the Exotek lone was announced

"Well after release of yet another copy of this tower, I'm still very happy to say mine is still looking great value at £28.00

With Treserys retailing at £33.99
and Exotek having a RRP £37.99


Cream replacment towers being £13.00

Treserys retailing at £18.49"

LOL, I guess by that you think that means I've not been selling any Quite an assumption that for a thread that has 11,653 hits.

Maybe it's also partly down to this thread
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104735
Which has another 2,287 hits.

Think we are done here.


Oh while I'm at it, What makes you think the few mounts I've sold to you have made the slightest difference to the amount I've sold. You really think my sales are that low.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Cream

LOL, I guess by that you think that means I've not been selling any Quite an assumption that for a thread that has 11,653 hits.

Maybe it's also partly down to this thread
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104735
Which has another 2,287 hits.

Think we are done here.

I have not assumed anything, I would guess and hope you have sold bucket loads, just to reassure you, I have not knocked them anyhwere

But I did not know it was a "greatest hits" competition LOL (maybe our banter has helped that to rise this last week, they do say any advertising is good advertising and your thread has been top of oOple most of the week and all of tonight)

But you did "resurrect" a dead thread with your comments

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Cream

Oh while I'm at it, What makes you think the few mounts I've sold to you have made the slightest difference to the amount I've sold. You really think my sales are that low.

Sorry missed the little edit you did there...

I think we sold far more of your mounts than you sold of our towers, so best you leave that one there unless your wish is to get personal....

[Cream]

Originally Posted by Darren Boyle

Sorry missed the little edit you did there...

I think we sold far more of your mounts than you sold of our towers, so best you leave that one there unless your wish is to get personal....

Think it kind of already did get personal.

As you said I'm not a shop, don't want to be, I'm an engineer, I've not tried to sell your towers to any great extent.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Cream

Think it kind of already did get personal.

Not from me it has not, I have defended your product throughout all my posts just dont agree with some of your comments and how they were portrayed, but it is far from personal from me...

[av4625]

Originally Posted by Darren Boyle

Here is the post that started it all by Cream 1 week ago (over 5 months afterthe last reply) the same week the Exotek lone was announced

"Well after release of yet another copy of this tower, I'm still very happy to say mine is still looking great value at £28.00

well if thats wat he said u dont no its about exotek lol u hav no proof if ur quote is correct!

i think it should just be dropped now some people like his and some people like others like u said awesome!

[Cream]

Originally Posted by Darren Boyle

Not from me it has not, I have defended your product throughout all my posts just dont agree with some of your comments and how they wre portrayed, but it is far from personal from me...

No, how you portrayed them.

Lots of little digs in the last few posts. I'm sure others have noted them too. Feels like the B4 mount thread all over again. Very childish IMHO.


Any enough for tonight, I'm off to bed, busy day tomorrow. Sweet dreams.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by av4625

well if thats wat he said u dont no its about exotek lol u hav no proof if ur quote is correct!

i think it should just be dropped now some people like his and some people like others like u said awesome!

I do agree with you 100%. I will just add that with regards to what I have highlighted in bold, Noel did only refer to two towers, the Tresray and Exotek and the Tresay one had been out for a while and the Exotek one was only released last week (when the post was made) and as I did point out at the time (many posts ago now thanks to how this thread has exploded ) the comments regards materials and quality etc were before an Exotek one had even been seen in the country, which was what annoyed me the most....

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Cream

No, how you portrayed them.

Lots of little digs in the last few posts. I'm sure others have noted them too. Feels like the B4 mount thread all over again. Very childish IMHO.


Any enough for tonight, I'm off to bed, busy day tomorrow. Sweet dreams.

6 post ago you accuse me of dragging it on, but as bad as I have been at keep repyling you are doing just the same.

B4 thread - I told you (as did Tony E) steel would be too heavy, and alloy would be better, that was the only thing I ever said back then and as already discussed (zillions of posts back now) you do make them in alloy now and no longer in steel, so I was not wrong....

Keep making the good stuff, its popularity is clear to see, but keep the accusations down a bit ref the copies etc.

Good luck and have a busy day tommorow