UK Short Course Nationals 2011 / Short Course Shootout

[Mark A]

I'm after a body shell for a SC10, the rules don't allow a beatle shell .
I would like to Thank the organisers for all there hard work in getting this series up and running , rules is rules i need a rear bumper too.
I know Paul And Stef have put alot of hours into this.
Website is also looking good.
Dude

[twisty]

Hi Mark,

good post.I would also like to thank the folks who are trying thier best to sort the series out[Paul,Stef,et al],they are doing a great job,no doubt under pressure from several sides.

Re,the Beetle bodyshell,they would be aloud if there was a closed wheel version available,the big thing about Short course trucks is the fact that they are closed wheel type bodys,meaning they can make quite hard contact with each other on the track and not hook up on each others wheels,sending cars off in random directions,they are much more stable and predictable than open wheel buggys with regards to contact.

I take my hat off to anyone who races open wheel,it requires maximum precision driving to make it look good,be fast and clean.It`s very hard to do right.

The reason Touring cars was/is popular is they have this similar forgiving nature regarding contact.

Short Course will succeed regardless because of the closed wheel thing and the fact they can cover rough ground at relatively high speed,they look good[if you like that sort of thing] and off road tracks being much easyer to find than on road venues.

I honestly do think rules should be kept to an absolute minimum,i whole heartedly agree with the wheels ,tyres and body rules,but after that,i would not limit power,amount of cells because that is down to how well the drivers can handle thier rides[but i can live with those].
I certainly would not ban reverse,in fact the only thing i would consider banning would be a steering aid such as a giro or similar.



Just one last bit regarding marshal safety and reverse,i put it to you all,that having reverse is actually safer than not having it.
With regards to marshalls,if a truck is able to reverse out without the need for a marshall,that marshall is still stood safely at his/her marshall point.
Quite simply reverse equals less marshalling all together,less risk to marshals being on the track.

I think thats me done,for now anyway.

BR,
S.

[PaulD]

Originally Posted by Mark A

I know Paul And Stef have put alot of hours into this.
Website is also looking good.
Dude

Mark,

Thanks for the comment about the amount of effort to get this far, but one thing to remember is that Chris has done all the work on the website.

Paul

[PaulD]

We have now had confirmation from a couple of the series sponsers that with the the RTR trucks it is not possible to disable the reverse on the speed control. So we will be amending requiring reverse to be disabled, but penalties will be issued for incorrect use.

As for penalties for incorrect use, we want people to enjoy the racing in the series, and I don't think anyone enjoys being taken out by someone elses bad driving which could end your days racing. Which is why we put the rule in for penalties in the first place.

I hope that people will be happy with this, I can't see any other alternative, as for this series to work we need trucks on the tracks, so we need the rules to allow RTR trucks otherwise we are potentially removing large numbers drivers before the series has even started.

Paul

[telboy]

Paul, Thats cool.

Not a problem.
Really looking forward to what could be the best series I take part in this year.

BRING IT ON!!!!!

[team n.o.m.a.d]

hopefully will run a round at my local track ndor see you soon

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by PaulD

We have now had confirmation from a couple of the series sponsers that with the the RTR trucks it is not possible to disable the reverse on the speed control. So we will be amending requiring reverse to be disabled, but penalties will be issued for incorrect use.

As for penalties for incorrect use, we want people to enjoy the racing in the series, and I don't think anyone enjoys being taken out by someone elses bad driving which could end your days racing. Which is why we put the rule in for penalties in the first place.

I hope that people will be happy with this, I can't see any other alternative, as for this series to work we need trucks on the tracks, so we need the rules to allow RTR trucks otherwise we are potentially removing large numbers drivers before the series has even started.

Paul

Good call all

[TonyM]

Shame, that's me out. My SXX TC doesn't do reverse and not having it when others do will be too much of a disadvantage.

[MALLET]

Originally Posted by TonyM

Shame, that's me out. My SXX TC doesn't do reverse and not having it when others do will be too much of a disadvantage.

What!!! Paul has just put that you cannot use reverse with a RTR or any other speedo, as if you do you will be penalised for doing so.

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by MALLET

What!!! Paul has just put that you cannot use reverse with a RTR or any other speedo, as if you do you will be penalised for doing so.

Not the way I read it mate. But I can get easily confused.

Just reread again and it's the word 'incorrect use' which is throwing me. I am interpreting this to mean if reverse is used and it causes any other driver a problem then penalties would incur. Rather, than if there was an outright ban on reverse I would expect to see the word 'use' instead. Could be semantics but I'd be very happy if it does in fact mean reverse cannot be used in any circumstance.

[spyro]

Ok Gents to clarify:

1.9 Speed controllers with reverse will be allowed, but penalties will be given for incorrect use (see rule 3.4)

The rules on the web site will be updated shortly.


On another note, TonyM, if you book in where would you put your ability on a 1 to 10 scale... 1 being novice and 10 being superstar.... Judging by your signature I would assume nearer the 10? Serious question.

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by spyro

Ok Gents to clarify:

1.9 Speed controllers with reverse will be allowed, but penalties will be given for incorrect use (see rule 3.4)

The rules on the web site will be updated shortly.


On another note, TonyM, if you book in where would you put your ability on a 1 to 10 scale... 1 being novice and 10 being superstar.... Judging by your signature I would assume nearer the 10? Serious question.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm an F4 in buggies and just bought a DESC410R which is for my first foray into SCT, so I would guess around 5.

[mark christopher]

hmmm so you know it all yet............

Originally Posted by TonyM

Thanks for the clarification. I'm an F4 in buggies and just bought a DESC410R which is for my first foray into SCT, so I would guess around 5.

[QUOTE=TonyM;488717]

Originally Posted by TonyM

You are totally and utterly wrong. As previously mentioned, rule 1.9 1/10th off-road states that reverse must be disabled.

Anyone who has taken 1/10 seriously over the last few years will know that reverse is a definite no-no.

Originally Posted by TonyM

The no reversing rule has very fundamental reasons, it stops a marshal picking up a truck/buggy just as it's about to set off and potentially do damage to fingers etc. With the high torque that 550 motors can deliver I can see the potential is even greater in this class for serious damage.


A question, if reverse is allowed does this mean that the club running the event will lose their BRCA insurance coverage and leave themselves open to private litigation if someone is injured.

Originally Posted by TonyM

Quite a few newbies at one of the clubs are drive at start with SC's and then progress to buggies. They get a shock when they race that class to find that reversing is penalised. Why not start them on the right track to start with and ban reverse. Anyway' reversing is for the wussies.

and now your not doing it as you dont have reverse? wats up you want to be a wussie now??

Originally Posted by TonyM

Shame, that's me out. My SXX TC doesn't do reverse and not having it when others do will be too much of a disadvantage.

you have still failed to let myself and the 10th off road chairman know where you got your rule/knowledge from??

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by spyro

Ok Gents to clarify:

1.9 Speed controllers with reverse will be allowed, but penalties will be given for incorrect use (see rule 3.4)

The rules on the web site will be updated shortly.


.

[TonyM]

[QUOTE=mark christopher;489709]hmmm so you know it all yet............

Originally Posted by TonyM

You're right wussie to the core. You win - happy reversing.




and now your not doing it as you dont have reverse? wats up you want to be a wussie now??



you have still failed to let myself and the 10th off road chairman know where you got your rule/knowledge from??

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by TonyM

You're right wussie to the core. You win - happy reversing

still no answer?
can you not work the quote button?

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

still no answer?
can you not work the quote button?

Here we go again, you just love to get personal. Chill out, you've copied my answer above. Or hopefully that's where it is as I can't see all the message on my crappy phone. Have a good life mate.

[MALLET]

Can you lot just sit on your hands and stop egging each other on and take it as it is. Life is too short for me to read all this crap.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by TonyM

Here we go again, you just love to get personal. Chill out, you've copied my answer above. Or hopefully that's where it is as I can't see all the message on my crappy phone. Have a good life mate.

ill let you off if ur mobile

i was after an answer where the rule came from you were banging on about!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by MALLET

Can you lot just sit on your hands and stop egging each other on and take it as it is. Life is too short for me to read all this crap.

i can still lick my touch screen Mr Mallet