Vega-Elite 201 at Stotfold Winter Series

[Dudders]

Saw Alec on Friday at Taplow and I think the idea was the slipper hole was over 10mm large and thus classed as a cooling hole...

(not that this IS the issue, its just what was discussed hope you dont mind me posting this Alec )

[Rebelrc]

Originally Posted by Northy

Why thank you for the kind words Tony

Not sure if you'd realised but I've not been on here too much recently and there are more than a few personal and work reasons for that. I friend has alerted me of your questions. You could have contacted me if you wanted.

The reason I have not replied yet is that I don't want to rush a reply, and have simply been too busy, sorry for that.

Yes I am a BRCA official, but I am also a Volunteer BRCA official, other stuff sometimes has to come first.

I will reply, don't worry.

G

Come on!

[TheReferee]

before this degenerates into another round of tit for tat posts, the issue is being dealt with between the manufacturer and the brca.

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by TheReferee

before this degenerates into another round of tit for tat posts, the issue is being dealt with between the manufacturer and the brca.

Oh no John. That is just not right......
Does that mean the manufacturer can quote the BRCA. I think somehow that would end up being foolish, do you not think? It cannot be just left as is......there are thousands of people all over the world that don't talk to the manufacturer or the BRCA..........we are all waiting for Graham to post WHY he posted the comment that has caused so much animosity.......simples.
We all actually don't care whether he is right or wrong but we are all puzzled......this is still talked about at race meetings and the silence does NOT help anyone and furthermore in my opinion it is hurting the BRCA and the good reputation that you all have.......
Do I paint my shell or not??

[DaveG28]

Apropos nothing...don't assume the G man is back from his travels yet, may be why he's not answered...in the meantime it's for either Vega or the BRCA to say whether there's an issue now...

[Rebelrc]

I am not assuming just going by the I will be back on late Friday! Over 1 week ago.
I personally do not care if it is legal or not (if it is great, if not I know vega can easily make a new one or rectify/modifiy the old one ) just can't get my head around some one making a silly Ill judged comment (fine we all do it) then to leave it hanging like this is not on! Especially when you know your going away and as well as having plenty of time to comment and has comented further before going away.

As G was speaking as a rep of the brca surely the brca should have commented by now? What do you think?

This was not a rant so please do not take out of context

[DaveG28]

Sorry, guess this bit isn't in Oople land, that Friday was when he had net access, not when he got back home!! The earlier posts weren't clear on that...

Tbh, my guess is he's not commented further while he waits for it to play out with brca/Vega, not spoken to him myself since he went away!

If necessary though, either a brca rep who is about or Vega can comment though...but my guess is, whether everyone agrees with this or not, the Brca are unlikely to think it their job to post on open forums, they'd speak with Vega and leave Vega to do that...just my guess though!

[Rebelrc]

Cheers Dave
I thought as G (brca) said it then there for should respond
But yes your right they cannot possibly watch every forum and comment on everything

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by Rebelrc

Cheers Dave
I thought as G (brca) said it then there for should respond
But yes your right they cannot possibly watch every forum and comment on everything

I do not agree here lads - Nobody is asking the BRCA to keep an eye on forums or to correct people publicly. Saying that, the BRCA at the highest level are fully aware of this thread and therefore they should comment and especially as we are asking them. John just made a comment and so was the original comment made by Graham (both BRCA officials). There are also other officials that are, have been and often are here reading all this as clearly can be seen when the 'who’s online' button is pressed!!!!
Why cannot either of them make the comment to whether the shell is legal or not? Vega didn't start this entire problem, Graham from the BRCA did and hence why I have repeatedly said to him to comment even if he made a simple mistake.

Although we all know the shell is legal there is a responsibility to post the right thing and that is to tell everyone it's an error and you all screwed up - simples

[footey]

tony if you all know the shell is legal then surley that anwsers your question about people saying on here

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by footey

tony if you all know the shell is legal then surley that anwsers your question about people saying on here

Hey, I agree with that comment for me but what about the other 6000 other viewers of this thread that won't believe good old Tony but will believe Graham and his big BRCA signature?
And by the way, the USA has internet as well.
You lot must think we are all idiots or something.
I have absolutely nothing against Graham, nothing at all but he has to come on here and say what he thought - even if it's a load of rubbish, he has to clear this up.
Even if Paul the Chairman of the Off Road section came on here and verified the shell is the best thing since sliced bread, the 'why did Graham make that comment' will remain

[footey]

Agreed Kev, a genuine human mistake, and I apologise, I've clarified above that: "I think the shell might not be BRCA legal".


this is off Gs post number 35 of this thread and he says a human mistake

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by footey

Agreed Kev, a genuine human mistake, and I apologise, I've clarified above that: "I think the shell might not be BRCA legal".


this is off Gs post number 35 of this thread and he says a human mistake

I hate to say this but I am beginning to think that some of the earlier suggestions in this thread are looking more and more favorite for the reasons of Grahams post in the first place.......that comment is like the word 'might' above........leaves everything to the imagination and the doubt of many.......

Since when did Graham need all of you posting for him anyways.....

[DaveG28]

It's pretty simple now to me. If:

1. Vega have discussed with BRCA and it's been confirmed legal, Vega can easily tell us on here. That's their job, not the BRCA's.

2. As 1 but confirmed illegal, exactly the same thing

The only reason to then demand northy come on and explain is to tell him he's either right or wrong, which is unimportant anyway once we know it's 1 or 2.

The other possibility:

3. It's still in discussion and nothings confirmed.

In which case there's no point knowing the detail as we could debate it until the cows come home and still wouldn't know for sure, as it's clearly then open to interpretation.

In any of those 3 scenario's, it adds nothing for Northy to come on here and discuss it. Your only demanding he do so in order for people to have a go at him again, there's no point.

All that's needed is for Vega to answer whether it's legal once they get a decision from the BRCA, nothing more than that!

[DaveG28]

Originally Posted by RudeTony

Since when did Graham need all of you posting for him anyways.....

Because, yet again, he's not here...you/I/anyone else don't know if he can access the net enough to keep replying to being slatted off.

Also, maybe, just maybe, the brca have asked him no to comment....

Tony, seriously, in what way is my last post wrong, Northy isn't needed for this, Vega can clarify if/once they know. Take a deep breath and pause, them tell me how I'm wrong!

[Rebelrc]

Sorry footehave I missed something as I don't understand the last post
Cheers

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by DaveG28

Because, yet again, he's not here...you/I/anyone else don't know if he can access the net enough to keep replying to being slatted off.

Also, maybe, just maybe, the brca have asked him no to comment....

Tony, seriously, in what way is my last post wrong, Northy isn't needed for this, Vega can clarify if/once they know. Take a deep breath and pause, them tell me how I'm wrong!

Dave,
I have read your post twice and taken that deap breath because with all the jokes aside you talk some logic.
You then please answer why should Vega HAVE to justify themselves for something they did not start.
Why should many manufacturers suffer because of this comment.
Why in fact should the BRCA not answer the question that one of their officials posted.
Why should in fact many drivers be unsure whether to buy or not based on that comment.
And lastly but certainly not least why shouldn't Graham just come on here and say it himself.
If you can aswer all of the above then I will not post on this thead again.
Now Dave, please take a minute and a deap breath before you answer the above. Also think outside the box and the people that read all this and so on. I repeat over and over again, i have nothing against Graham but the more he doesn't come on here and tell us what's what and why and the more the silence goes on, the worse people think and that includes me!

I actually now think it's a BRCA problem and not a Graham problem - their offcial - they should sort this out

[Rebelrc]

I second the above

[DaveG28]

Dude, not a lot of what's happened on this thread is ideal. The fact that I think at this point that it's for Vega to tell us what's going on doesn't mean I think it's their "fault" or anything like that.

For what it's worth, I think if the brca or a brca official has an issue with a car, they should discuss it in private with the manufacturer rather than say something publicly before they know for sure. Then it's for the manufacturer to to communicate as necessary with us customers.

FOR THE SAME REASON though, I think that's still what the brca should do, and therefore that it's still for vega to tell us. I just don't see how it would help for someone from the brca to post that it's illegal for example, let vega deal with it, so they could simultaneously announce what they're doing to fix it...hopefully it's legal anyway though!

With G, even he's admitted it was an error to post originally, I don't think anyone is saying it was done well, and IF he can post on here (which we don't know) you can argue either way whether he should say more. None of that justifies attacking his integrity though, sorry, in my view anyway, it just winds me up to see that part of it!

Remember, I'm a customer here, I have a spare shell so may lose money on 2, so if despite all that I think it's gone too far against him, maybe that should give everyone pause for thought!

[RudeTony]

OK Dave, your points are valid to a degree but then answer this simple question.
Why does it take the BRCA so long to make a decision on this.
I know for a fact that Graham has had photos of every angle you can imagine of the car and shell.
This is why my last commnet says it is a BRCA problem now ans we all know all the committee reads the post so why not speak out

Maybe they are debating to ban me!!