new amb system

[knighthawk]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

Agree with you, can't find a single person who automatically upgraded their transponder when Harry came out. In terms of value, Purcy is no faster, no better and no cheaper and RC4 is backwards compatible to my current kit. Explain to me again why I'd want one...? I'll stick with the idea that we are the normal ones!!

Yes and NO, When the Harry's came out I traded my AMBrc PT in for a Harry for the size was easier to install in my Losi 8 EU Radio RX Box.

If the MyLaps Purcy worked on the RC3 Decoder's then I'd be putting an order in with BBK Software !

4 x Purcy's ( with same ID Car No.1-4 ) ( For me Dad )
2 x Purcy's ( with same ID Car No.1-2 ) ( For my Eldest son )
2 x Purcy's ( with same ID Car No.1-2 ) ( For my Youngest Son )

I would be willing to pay the £65 each less any Multiple Discount and any Trade-in Offers from BBK.

I do like the MRT offer of cloning and having all my cars on the same number !

But, and this is a Big But, I Would rather stay with individual PT than buy an item which is counterfeit and may stop working without warning, like when I turn up at a meeting only to be told the MRT bug won't count as the club has upgraded to RC4 Firmware

[SlowOne]

Where is the evidence that an MRT transponder won't work with RC4? If RC4 is backwards compatible to all other personal transponders, how does that exclude the MRTs?

Somehow, I am not sure any club will upgrade if it means they are landing their members with a £75 bill to continue racing. The words from AMB state plainly that is not the case.

I mean this with love and no side whatsoever - if you can afford to spend over £400 on bugs, then you aren't living in my world. That's a season's running costs for me and an amount I think hard about how I will spend. Two new transponders would add 30%+ to that bill. It's not viable for me...

Well done for being that good at whatever you do to afford that sort of outlay (I mean that, no sarcasm or deprecation intended or implied) but please accept that this situation isn't usual for people like Matt, Mark and me.

As we have said, let's wait and see...

[knighthawk]

Like i've tried to say, if Purcy's worked on RC3 Decoder's
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I have 8 AMB/MyLaps PT's all with different numbers !

When the clubs upgrade ( which I can't see anytime soon as there is no need ) then I would sell/trade these 8 to buy 3 sets of new Purcy's !


But again I will state I won't even consider any change until the Purcy's work where every I go to race !

And £400, sorry but it wouldn't be this due to trade in's or sales.

And new kits are near this price and people don't blink at having the newest and latest kit on the block even if its £100 more than other manufactures !

Ask yourself this question?
If you want to race and if you have to change to the Purcy, you will !!

[SlowOne]

I race 12th because a new kit is needed once in a blue moon, and they are about £200. I've upgraded my car for half that each of the last two seasons. A complete suspension renewal costs about £20 and a diff rebuild costs... nothing to £8. It's one reason I don't do other classes, they are not value for my available money. And I won't have to upgrade my PT as AMB say that my current one will work on RC4.

If I absolutely had to, I probably would, but it would only be one and something else would have to give. Like I said, not in your world...

[knighthawk]

Not in my world, your breathing the same air and paying the same tax's

12th scale, I tried that, the tyre cost alone made me change my mind on that class !

I race and have two kids, my budget is very small chap !
But if I had to change my PT's to continue racing and make my life easier, then yes I would, that's my point !

Quoting your not in my world, sorry but what does that really mean, RC is a hobby and is expensive, end of.

[Coastal]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Except quite a lot of the MRT's in use are cloned from the same owners AMB. Thats a feature AMB did not offer (until Percy) so if you wanted multiple PT's on the same number MRT wasn't the 'copy' but the only option.
Of those who had the AMB's cloned, some now only run the MRT clone, the AMB having long since died since unlike the AMB's you can have the refitted with new leads etc.
MRT's aren't just copies - they offered things AMB did not.

You can replace the wires in AMB/Mylaps transponder - just Google it

I did and have replaced the wires on one of my AMB PT'S and it works fine

[Coastal]

Originally Posted by skiv

Thanks for the quote, and as the SiCoe suggested I was talking about the Purcy not being backward compatible, where when we last switched systems the new transponders did work with the old system although only the last digit of the number was recognised.

So not really any hearsay going on there, the facts were read understood and quoted.

The facts still are that the RC4 system will only fully work with the purcy, but a club that switches to RC4 will still be able to count all amb/mylaps transponders, and probably mrt too, but we wont know until it is tested, as said before could be scaremongering. BUT a driver who buys a purcy will have to check the list of no clubs (at the moment) before their laps will count.

I was just suggesting what might have been a better use of the purcy only needing to stock one transponder and it would count everywhere.

As said above, we just have to wait and see what happens, but at the moment no club i know is going to upgrade their firmware.

Sounds like good news that we don't have to send the box to BBK for firmware upgrade though, if/when we want it.

So I have a PSone and a PS2, do I expect PS3 games to work in them, does anyone
I have a Hobbywing V2.1 ESC and a HW V3 ESC can I run V3 firmware on my V2.1? No because the V3 has more memory in the chip.

Technology moves on and cannot always be backwards compatabile.

It always amazes me how everyone moans when they might have to spend some money on an item that will help the club they run at. The difficulty in getting drivers to part with a small amount for their club membership always amazes me, yet the same people will think nothing in spending ££££££'s on new motors or batteries or tyres etc. BBK will upgrade your MRT transponder to a mylaps one for a little over £40 - not bad.

As for the cost of the new decoder, bear this in mind if your current AMBrc decoder stops working the replacement cost to the club will be £2,400 (for an RC3 or RC4 decoder) or you could upgrade now for £415 and get a 3 year warranty.
How many clubs can afford £2,400? how many can afford £415?

I hope MRT will be able to come up with a solution, but until the new decoder is available and tested who knows whether they will work or not or whether they ever can be made to work

[blue_pinky]

My bet would be the MRT working fine on the RC4's. On the grounds that the current ones work with current kit, and the technology being used isn't THAT clever that it can tell what brand of PT is flashing past the loop.

Add to that...this is an AMB development and announcement that's being discussed. Why would AMB confirm or deny a competitor product working? It's not in their interest! I bet if you asked them before about the old kit they'd say they couldn't guarantee an MRT PT to work with a RC3 decoder...why would they? Not in their interest or control!

They want to sell their own PT's, and cannot make performance statements about competitor products...old or new.

I could well be wrong, but in practice, and until someone independent to AMB has tested the MRT's on an RC4, I won't be worrying.

And even then....if MRT are interested in continuing their business with PT's...expect them to be able to respond with something compatible...in time if not immediately!

Then, as a club, I'm not sure they'll be rushing out immediately to change decoders. It's a big outlay, and something that would be carefully planned and considered so that it didn't effect the day to day running of meetings and the club. The 2 clubs I help with both use MRT PT's as handout's, so wouldn't be rushing to change the setup if they don't.

My guess would be that during the transition period of this change, anyone turning up with a with a Purcy would be told they are incompatible and offered a handout...until such time as it made sense functionally and was financially viable to upgrade.

Suffice to say, the customers (who also tend to be represented at BRCA committee level with it being a democratic association) will vote with their heads and their cash and decide what works at race meetings

[knighthawk]

Just read on Facebook that Deerdale Off Road Club are upgrading their Decoder to RC4.

They are running a Winter Series round on the 9th December !

They have warned racers that MRT will have issue, AMB/MyLaps will work fine.


So in short this debate will have an answer very soon !!



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[Coastal]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

Just read on Facebook that Deerdale Off Road Club are upgrading their Decoder to RC4.

They are running a Winter Series round on the 9th December !

They have warned racers that MRT will have issue, AMB/MyLaps will work fine.


So in short this debate will have an answer very soon !!



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I also believe Rob of BBK will be running a parallel timing system at Rug Racers next Sunday.

So it will be interesting to see the results of both of these tests.

[mikeyscott]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

Just read on Facebook that Deerdale Off Road Club are upgrading their Decoder to RC4.

They are running a Winter Series round on the 9th December !

They have warned racers that MRT will have issue, AMB/MyLaps will work fine.


So in short this debate will have an answer very soon !!



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Will be watching with interest as I'd like to upgrade the decoder at TORCH.

Ideally to RC3 first and then RC4

[AmiSMB]

Mikey you will probably find that if you upgrade now that they may well skip the RC3 and send you an RC4 straight away as it is only a firmware change internally between them.

[mikeyscott]

Originally Posted by AmiSMB

Mikey you will probably find that if you upgrade now that they may well skip the RC3 and send you an RC4 straight away as it is only a firmware change internally between them.

Yup correct, been told RC3 is not an option.

[Coastal]

Any News from Deerdale?

[john333]

Originally Posted by Coastal

Any News from Deerdale?

It's next Sunday

[jimbot]

Originally Posted by Coastal

I also believe Rob of BBK will be running a parallel timing system at Rug Racers next Sunday.

So it will be interesting to see the results of both of these tests.

Rob popped up to HNMC after doing a test he said that the MRTs were not good and missed a lot of laps.
HNMC will decide at thier AGM this Thursday when they will up grade I would say it is likely to be 2014.
The issue is if the BRCA rallycross go RC4 we will most likely have to go RC4 when they move over.
jim

[mikeyscott]

Originally Posted by jimbot

Rob popped up to HNMC after doing a test he said that the MRTs were not good and missed a lot of laps.
HNMC will decide at thier AGM this Thursday when they will up grade I would say it is likely to be 2014.
The issue is if the BRCA rallycross go RC4 we will most likely have to go RC4 when they move over.
jim

Similar to many other clubs and classes etc.

[alteredoggy]

some results from Robs test session at Rug Racers yesterday are on the bbk website
http://www.bbksoftware.com/

[cigbunt]

im sure it wouldnt be impossible for them to work with mrt...

but more profitable to make racer have to upgrade

[skiv]

Originally Posted by Coastal

So I have a PSone and a PS2, do I expect PS3 games to work in them, does anyone

Again, not quite the same situation, you are one person playing your console at home. But backward compatibility is still there, or was when i remember Ps1 to Ps2, you could play your ps1 game on the ps2, so the ps2 console was backward compatible.

Do you expect your local club to upgrade their PS2 console (RC2 decoder) because you have gone and brought the latest ps3 game (purcy), i think not.

I plainly suggested it might have been good to make the purcy work with the old systems, then you brand new transponder would at least count laps at the club that can't afford the new decoder, and do all the funky new stuff at the national if they chose to upgrade.

It would have been possible to make a new transponder work with an old system as well as the new systems, but Mylaps chose not to

This has no reflection on the MRT Mylaps RC4 debate, so i don't really understand why you keep bringing it up.

Was anyone at RR watching the BBK test with the new system, as a little sceptical of the results presented on the BBK site who obviously have quite a good income stream with part x ptx's if they dont count.