New rules here . . . at last

[Gazza]

Its all down to set ups and good drivers I guess. . .

I race at clubs where the G2 and 4 cell is on par with the 13.5 and 1s so what you are running is really a good G2 setup.

If you are beating the G2 class now then im sorry to say these will NEVER make an A final at compition racing as there way to slow already.
Sorry guys but thats what its like if any G2 and 4 cell Dave cant keep up with a 13.5 then they will never make the A final there way to slow but its a shame you could be the best driver but if the motor and cells cant keep up with brushless then thats it game over

Because the top G2 and 4 cell racers we race neck to neck with our brushless

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Shame really.. .

I see people using wrong pitch gears ESC & now I see people selling up and going back to other forms of racing

What a shame they killed it because they cant follow simple rules that were posted. . . . oh well never mind I tried

I know full well what you are referring to by this gazza.
People can run whatever pitch gears they want in the ardent summer series, The only rules that are in place for these meetings are: 3.7v Lipo, 13.5t brushless, no boost, advanced timing or turbo, cars must be 1kg. No advantage can be gained by running 64dp gears as opposed to 48dp.

Karl

[Garry Spice]

At maritime club nights we 'davers' use g2,saturn20t and anssman21t motors with 7.4 lipos.now we've had problems with the saturns not lasting a 6min run(cos thats what we run to).personaly id like to use brushless motors like the carpet rules are run to.
cells and g2's are old tech,kids coming in only know lipo/brushless so lets drag this class out the dark ages and enbrace new tech tahts out there!

[Garry Spice]

*carpet wars

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Originally Posted by Gazza

I see people using wrong pitch gears ESC & now I see people selling up and going back to other forms of racing

What a shame they killed it because they cant follow simple rules that were posted. . . . oh well never mind I tried

Novak GTB2 & motor under the price limit on the way

[Gazza]

Originally Posted by Karl Dransfield

I know full well what you are referring to by this gazza.
People can run whatever pitch gears they want in the ardent summer series, The only rules that are in place for these meetings are: 3.7v Lipo, 13.5t brushless, no boost, advanced timing or turbo, cars must be 1kg. No advantage can be gained by running 64dp gears as opposed to 48dp.

Karl

I was not going to memtion Names Karl but as you owned up

Wrong . . and my all time fav BUSTED . ..
We where running it to the new rules to see how it went so 90% of us followed but a few did not like a Tekin esc etc any way . . .

as in your post above like no turbo or boost and you even went and bought lead weight to bring it up to the 1kg etc you ran it to the rules that we had you even had a GTB2 like most of us ran with
Then did a complete U turn and went 64dp . . . . WHY just WHY

let me guess because you only had 64dp . . . wrong again as I know you have Mardave 32dp like most of us LOL

Ardent was the place to do it if I turn up at the next Ardent meeting with a car running 1kg 1s Lipo and 64dp thats fine I take it but if I then said I have a Tekin full blown turbo and boost and wipe the floor then its wrong its that simple I cant make it any easier for you to follow

@ Gary Spice

Yea at local club meets thats great Heck even I might build one with 7.2v but the point Most of us are trying to do is get the rules sorted to which every one can run to to make it fair all round

[Gazza]

Originally Posted by Chequered Flag Racing

Novak GTB2 & motor under the price limit on the way

Sorry lost me on this one ?

[Paulnuneaton]

Rules what rules that was just a lip service because the rules were made and no one could even be bothered to turn up to the brca meeting to show them.
Again the wheel has been re invented the main part was to get the circuit racer noticed in his own rights, not re invent the wheel i have sat back watched listened and seen nothing i have seen a lot op people waste huge amounts of money changing their esc to conform but how can you conform when you do not have a set of rules for everyone to chew over guys you had the chance to bring the car to the forefront and get its own section but it farted and died. sorry if this upsets you but as from what i can see it was a paper tiger thats all.
Now before anyone of the said says the rules were run at the first round of rc circuit cars well i can tell you that they was not.
why because i am the organiser of the said series no one came to me and said we are runing the new rules. no car was inspected after a race so that rubbishes that line of thought.
so now i intend to pick the ball up myself and run with it if there are any genuine intrested partys that would dearly love to see the Mardave in the BRCA under its own section for circuit racing then please do get in touch with me.
We dont need ground breaking rules we need simple rules that make it fun and close after all the rules would need to be given the green light by the BRCA and i think before that the guys who formed the rules would have to show that they have run series for 12 months before they would sit down and talk shop. to see a very close mate decide to leave dave racing and a few more leave is sad. so dont break what is working but try and get those who run the BRCA to sit up and take note that the Dave plays a vital role in rc car racing and is a car that many new starters turn to before going on to other forms of racing. so it needs to be SIMPLE EASY COST EFFECTIVE AND FUN CLASS!!! thats my view on it all

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Wrong . . and my all time fav BUSTED . ..
We where running it to the new rules to see how it went so 90% of us followed but a few did not like a Tekin esc etc any way . . .

I'm not quite sure what you mean here

Originally Posted by Gazza

let me guess because you only had 64dp . . . wrong again as I know you have Mardave 32dp like most of us LOL

Do the maths Gazza, you can't achieve the correct gear ratios for brushless on 32dp, you would need a 22t pinion. There isn't sufficient room for this.

Originally Posted by Gazza

Ardent was the place to do it if I turn up at the next Ardent meeting with a car running 1kg 1s Lipo and 64dp thats fine I take it

Yes that is fine as it complies with the ardent summer series rules.

Originally Posted by Gazza

but if I then said I have a Tekin full blown turbo and boost and wipe the floor

No that isn't fine as the ardent summer series rules state that no advanced timing, turbo or boost is allowed. You can run the tekin rs but it must be in 'blinky' mode.

[teamorsum96]

if i no, there wasn't really no hassle with the old rules. lol

a good read tho

[beckybean66]

lol with all the hastle going on about these rules and what not im soooooo glad the club we go to is more layed back and doesnt really bother with rules, makes it more fun and less serious which is how it should be so i say SCREW THE RULES lol

[teamorsum96]

Originally Posted by beckybean66

lol with all the hastle going on about these rules and what not im soooooo glad the club we go to is more layed back and doesnt really bother with rules, makes it more fun and less serious which is how it should be so i say SCREW THE RULES lol

lol so true

and well done to karl for his win on saturday

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by teamorsum96

lol so true

and well done to karl for his win on saturday

Cheers Jamie

[4_cell_racer]

13.5 Brushless system no advance timing

I thought BOTH speedo and MOTOR are to have NO advance timing on them Karl??

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by 4_cell_racer

I thought BOTH speedo and MOTOR are to have NO advance timing on them Karl??

Nope, just on speedos I think : "Only forward / reverse Brushless ESC’s with NO TURBO or BOOST or on the fly timing advance function from the following list may be used".

This same rule applies for the Ardent summer series rules : "Mardave 13.5 Brushless: 1S LiPo, 13.5 Brushless system no advance timing, our knowledge of ESCs will enable us to check your car."

Changing the timing on the motor only has the same effect as gearing it up anyway so it's not really worth it.

Karl

[Gazza]

As per Lee correct

Mardave 13.5 Brushless (10 entries max)
1S LiPo, 13.5 Brushless system no advance timing, our knowledge of ESCs will enable us to check your car. Abuse will mean instant ban and no refund, so don't try it :-|.

it does not mention gears as Karl rightly says but its common knowledge also does not state body shells neither so you can also run a 1/12th shell then nor does it mention tyres so fit GT10 wheels on it as well but alas we thought you would not have to list all the rules as like we say its common knowledge

but alas its all out the window Lee people run what what they like and its gone way beyond a Joke now.

There is a few that have had enough and packed up and gone other class's I to have now had enough and will be running my other fav car . . . GT10

[4_cell_racer]

Originally Posted by Karl Dransfield

Nope, just on speedos I think : "Only forward / reverse Brushless ESC’s with NO TURBO or BOOST or on the fly timing advance function from the following list may be used".

This same rule applies for the Ardent summer series rules : "Mardave 13.5 Brushless: 1S LiPo, 13.5 Brushless system no advance timing, our knowledge of ESCs will enable us to check your car."

Changing the timing on the motor only has the same effect as gearing it up anyway so it's not really worth it.

Karl

To me the word system mean both speedo & motor mate

But could well be wrong (I have in the past lol)

[4_cell_racer]

Originally Posted by Karl Dransfield

Changing the timing on the motor only has the same effect as gearing it up anyway so it's not really worth it.

Karl

So why do people run them? Apart from giving someone the (maybe) slight edge over other racers.

Similar to 64dp gears = more gearing/finer tuning options.....TBH I was going to run 64dp on my Dave and was told it was a no no, so sold all my 64dp gear

It all adds up at the end of the day

[Karl Dransfield]

I have taken my 64dp off now anyway. I got fed up of the incessant whining about it from other people.

Originally Posted by 4_cell_racer

So why do people run them? Apart from giving someone the (maybe) slight edge over other racers.

Similar to 64dp gears = more gearing/finer tuning options.....TBH I was going to run 64dp on my Dave and was told it was a no no, so sold all my 64dp gear

It all adds up at the end of the day

Not sure on the timing rule then

That motor I had in last time at Ardent came as standard with -6 degrees of timing out of the box so I had to advance it so it had zero degrees (no timing) on so it fell within the rules anyway.

Are you racing next sunday Lee?

[4_cell_racer]

Originally Posted by Karl Dransfield

I have taken my 64dp off now anyway. I got fed up of the incessant whining about it from other people.



Not sure on the timing rule then

That motor I had in last time at Ardent came as standard with -6 degrees of timing out of the box so I had to advance it so it had zero degrees (no timing) on so it fell within the rules anyway.

Are you racing next sunday Lee?

Dude I know how you feel about peeps whining lol thats why its taken me sooooo long to go over to 13.5 in my Dave, think this is my 3rd attempt to ditch the brushed and go to BL

Neither am I mate........the rules are a little vague for the class and I think need to be clarified more, so peeps know where they stand with regards on what can and cannot be used

Is it that time again...is it the summer series again? if so that seems a quick! if it is the summer series I should be there