12 hour endur ????

[Dudders]

Oh it's oh so simple!!

Why have PT's just manual count as they go past.... Put a spare Marshall there to call out... Not like we'll be going for lap records is it???

[jim76]

Originally Posted by Dudders

Oh it's oh so simple!!

Why have PT's just manual count as they go past.... Put a spare Marshall there to call out... Not like we'll be going for lap records is it???

[Dudders]

Old skool rocks!

Let's not allow tech to ruin what could be FUN

[The Chef]

How many racers will the bbk software allow you to put in one race?

[Dudders]

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[The Chef]

So why couldn't every one use their own transponders and do the math at the end?

[RobW]

Originally Posted by The Chef

So why couldn't every one use their own transponders and do the math at the end?

Seems an excellent option if it will work - maybe we can do a rough add through half way through just to give an idea of positions. I’ll speak to Mike and see if there is any way we can test it. Maybe set it up during a practise session?

Alternatively we can run with manual counting but as with most manual systems it takes more manpower. If we get 6 teams, then each team would need to cover manual counting in race control for an hour – someone has to push the buttons. If we also need a caller, then that is 2 hours per team out of their team of 6 on top of their marshalling commitments. It’s do-able but we’d have to make it clear up front that everyone would be expected to do their stint – it would be maybe 10 mins pushing buttons and 10 mins calling.

Based on what Steve put above, I’d suggest we are looking at something like:

Team of six using own cars (2WD or 4WD)
6 hour race – 10.00am to 4.00pm – no breaks.
Lap counting – 2 options above.
Each team to man one marshalling post for duration of race – going to have to be a bit if trust/sportsmanship here because there is not going to be anyone sat in race control monitoring.
This is a fun event – if you are going to take it seriously don’t race.

Can we get it simpler than that?

In terms of trying to make fairish teams, how about grading everyone based on most laps ever achieved based on class (2 or 4WD). So if you have previously managed a 10 lapper in 2WD and are running 2WD you are “worth” 10 points to your team. Total team points not to exceed say 64 so if you want Steve B with a 4WD (12 points) in your team you are going to also have a couple of less experienced drivers as well to compensate. It also gets round the issue of 4WD cars being slightly quicker as your points value is based on the class you will be running. Anyone who have not raced at Torch before, we’ll estimate and trust you. I appreciate it is not a perfect system as a quick 10 is different to a slow 10 but it just suppose to be a rough grading.

Make your own team up with your mates and we can set some sort of “dating agency” going on here for billy-no-mates like me to find a team.

Comments/suggestions please so we can finalise something on Friday

Cheers

Rob

[The Chef]

Could the system not be set in championship mode and do the organizing as it goes?

Or is it possible to enter more than 1 transponder number per entrant? So for example team 1 then give it 6 transponder numbers under 1 name?




In the Result Processing Screen you have several options for merging results of races to generate the lineup for semi-final or main events. It is also possible to add your own logos to the customizable print templates which have adjustable columns and font sizes and can be exported to text files. In the Championship Screen you can make the Championship standings for all of your race classes. If necessary you can add, delete or edit events from the Championship. All the results of the events, merges and championship standings can be uploaded to MYLAPS.com in just a few clicks of the button using a standard internet connection.

[RobW]

Originally Posted by The Chef

Could the system not be set in championship mode and do the organizing as it goes?

Or is it possible to enter more than 1 transponder number per entrant? So for example team 1 then give it 6 transponder numbers under 1 name?




In the Result Processing Screen you have several options for merging results of races to generate the lineup for semi-final or main events. It is also possible to add your own logos to the customizable print templates which have adjustable columns and font sizes and can be exported to text files. In the Championship Screen you can make the Championship standings for all of your race classes. If necessary you can add, delete or edit events from the Championship. All the results of the events, merges and championship standings can be uploaded to MYLAPS.com in just a few clicks of the button using a standard internet connection.

Be great if it can - need someone which some knowledge of the club's lap counting system to comment. Would need to pick out each member of the team's individual lap scores, group them together and do this during the race?

Rob

[jim76]

what about those with no PT?!
asuming there aren;t too many of us i guess we coud have a hand out to ourselves for the day and just make sure they are charged up regularly?

[Robbiejuk]

Assuming you have a decent battery in your transponder they will easily last six hours. I have taken out the transponders 24 hours after a club night and most of them are still flashing green.

BBK has a setting in it to allow you to assign multiple transponders to a team especially for endurance racing so you should be ok with your plan to use multiple transponders per team but I reckon you could just get away with using the one and whack the other handout in as a backup just incase it fails or starts flashing red.

I got excited when I read about you lot doing an endurance race. I am a big fan of endurance racing and myself and our team (Team shambles) have taken part and completed two 24 hour races, One in Belgium and one at York. I personally can't wait till the next EBOR at york because it was excellent fun and the challenge of getting one car to last a full event is brilliant.

Wheels and sticks? When running one car is quite easy to get round, just stick two receivers in the car and swap the plugs over, if you sort out a driving order so the wheel guys and the stick guys are driving after each other then swapping of plugs is minimised.

With regards to electrics well we have used the same speed controller and motor in both 24 hour races, neither were new when we first did one of these events and they are both still going today. In fact the 10.5 motor was used at the F2's last weekend and is still as strong as the day I brought it. I would advise using a connector and a adaptor to make sure you cannot conenct batteries up the wrong way.

Word of advice to race control, keep an eye on your spare transponder, we do a endurance race at our club every year, which nobody takes particularily seriously, One year out team had had a few failiures that put us back about twenty laps to the leaders, so one of snuck into race control, snaffled the second transponder and we stuck it into a spare car and whacked it on track, making sure that the car was circulating 10 seconds apart from the main car we soon made up the defecit We got told off an penalised but it was bloddy funny watching the team of club hotshots trying to work out how we had got five laps in front of them in under 10 minutes.

Look forward to hearing more about this event.

[hotrodchris]

still looks like a fun day looking forward to it.
One other point could be that the team marshal only marshal's their own team car?

[The Chef]

There would be people running in all directions.

[hotrodchris]

Yup first few runs might be fun but would also slow some people down to stop them crashing when their other team members get on their back when they are constantly chasing around the track turning them over!

[jim76]

Originally Posted by hotrodchris

still looks like a fun day looking forward to it.
One other point could be that the team marshal only marshal's their own team car?

That is normally standard practice in endurance events as other teams won't marshal you"fairly and promptly!"

Good call on the 2 receiver idea, never come across that. Probably rules out the tighter chassis on the market though!

[Deano577]

Looks like it's all getting a bit technical any one would think it's le man 24 lol
keep it simples and cost effective. Count team useless in

[The Chef]

Originally Posted by jim76

That is normally standard practice in endurance events as other teams won't marshal you"fairly and promptly!"

Good call on the 2 receiver idea, never come across that. Probably rules out the tighter chassis on the market though!

OMG my legs will be F£$%£@ by the end of the day

[Dudders]

Sod your legs!, I might put a hair out!

[The Chef]

Originally Posted by Dudders

Sod your legs!, I might put a hair out!

Start as you mean to go on

[ASKay]

Originally Posted by The Chef

So why couldn't every one use their own transponders and do the math at the end?

What language is the software programmed in, and does anyone know what form the signal to the pc is in (I assume it is the transponder number), it should be a fairly straight forward bit of code to write to count an input signal and group transponder numbers as a accumulative....

If anyone knows what it is written in, then I maybe able to find a programmer who would write something to do this....

maybe able to do it as an executable in labview, in which case I could have ago...