Martin Achter provisional pole - 2009 IFMAR Worlds

[David Church]

Bloody yanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lee Martin]

BOOF!

coming from the guys that have to wear body armour to play rugby huh~!

[Fabs]

Hey Lee, I think we all agree that the BRCA Nationals see many really good drivers. In fact it probably is the most difficult championship around, because it is so close between everyone.

Unfortunately as has been mentionned, the IFMAR rules mean there can be no WC on any astro track, which is a shame as the actual rules were designed so that the track stays consistent, which is the case with an Astro track. Change of rules maybe ?

I'm surprised no one has picked up on my idea of having a worlds at Harper Adams ?

[Lee Martin]

picked up yes.......but i dont think you realise how much money harper adams costs to run an event!

[David Church]

Fabs, Harper has been considered, not so easy to organise!!!

As soon as IFMAR decide we can have a Worlds on Astro I am sure we will consider it!!!!

There is so much behind the scenes it is hard to understand!!!

But we would if we could!!!!! Is all i would say!!!!

Dc

[Fabs]

Originally Posted by pidge

picked up yes.......but i dont think you realise how much money harper adams costs to run an event!

If I'm not mistaken the hosting club/track is granted something around $20k. I should think that'd be enough.

[JohnM]

I think if I win the lottery tonight, I'm going to pay for these top US drivers to come over here next year, for a good kicking from Lee, Neil, Ellis, and the other top Brits, actually, why wait till next year, lets bring 'em over for a nice cold, wet outside winter series somewhere

If the US drivers are better then everyone else, why haven't they won in on-road racing? same tracks for everyone, everywhere there, no advantage for them.

[Lee Martin]

youd think...........but turn that into pounds and add a few thousand and thats closer to the cost to get va event at harper!

[Fabs]

Originally Posted by pidge

youd think...........but turn that into pounds and add a few thousand and thats closer to the cost to get va event at harper!

We should take the opportunity that the GBP is so low then compared to the dollar... lol

[Lee Martin]

i meant £20k then add a few! lol...and the GBP not that low yet!

[Fabs]

Well that's a shame then. I'll have to try and get in for the Neo this time then (on a borrowed car, John if you're reading this, he he).

[jondell]

2003 Slough euros in 1/8th was budgeted at 18K, it landed up costing more than that and had to borrow money from BRCA to fund it. It took 3-4 years to pay that debt back. Any worlds would cost more (subject to entry numbers)

A point i've been holding back on is that if you were to ask the IFMAR chairman 'would you like to have any worlds in USA?', he would probably say 'No thank you'. The USA may have the most of the best racers, the market share and some great tracks, but when it comes to running to the rules, things are very lacking. Their last 2 attempts to host the 1/8th off road worlds have been pretty poor.

If boycotting a worlds because people THINK its unsafe, is a way of telling IFMAR what we think, then we should also boycott countries who we KNOW are not able to run events to the rules. That said, take away the rule book and USA clubs run great events.

[Neil Skull]

I think we are all being a bit harsh on our American friend.
As much as i dont like to say he is correct. They have a lot of racing and a lot of top racers. I can guess our national is much smaller than their regional series.
I was trying to remember how the UK boys did in Cactus cup!.
I think they was well off the pace?(someone please let me know)

But it is annoying to us Brits when Yankees keep telling how everything is bigger and better than anywhere else.
We need to have a count up of world champions to see who is the best

[BradR]

I'm happy to live in the US, but some of the stuff I hear from other Americans makes me cringe (not just regarding R/C). As has been pointed out, it's usually the people who haven't spent any time outside these borders that are most convinced of our superiority.

Originally Posted by pidge

i dont walk into the premier league and expect to be able to beat rooney one on one!

That reference will be totally lost on most Americans. Try a NASCAR reference next time.

[GRIFF55]

With the figures mentioned, wouldn't it make sence for someone to build a nice big clay track in the uk then?. It could surely be covered in astro for useage after the big international meeting, preventing weather damage?
ANYHOOOO, hows the 4wd going?? Congrats Martin A!!!

[wayboarder]

This is awesome and the exact responses I thought I was going to get.

First and foremost, Since someone decided to go down the narrow minded no travel american route... I have circumnavigated the globe, Twice. Ive stopped in more countries then most of us americans can name (pretty sad, but for a total, ive been to something in the likes of 30 countries and thats spread around the globe). So there goes the theory that Ive never been out of the states. Most importantly I didnt scale my world view on America or Europe.

As far as Americans not faring well in WC events, go back and look at all of the Ifmar events. In most of them, Americans hold half of the top 10 spots.

As far as the Americans not doing well on astro and what not? What makes the ones named so good at racing is how fast they can adapt to different tracks/changes. It takes me weeks to adapt to just a track layout change, and thats with the same dirt. Give any of the top guys a few runs and they are running with the fastest. A few more and they are the fastest. So to say they couldnt adapt to the astro turf is just absent minded.

As far as the rules... most tracks around the states loosely follow the rules because where there are roar rules, you have lower turnouts on a club scale. Lots of whining and complaining when rules are enforced.

Now what needs to happen, and Im sure everyone would be down for it, no complaining about security, and a great opportunity for all, would be to hold a near future Ifmar in Dubai! Dubai is probably one of the most amazing countries I have ever been to. Its also fairly cheap to go there, so money complaints are not there either, and Im sure since Dubai is trying to continue to up their attendance in all venues that they would make it a high priority to get an event there and make it a event to remember.

As far as the parallels between RC and other sports, Come on thats silly. These are TOY CARS! Nascar is a money making machine and the only reason to attend a event is to see all the naked mammories that are in the crowds. Which to Europeans is no big deal, but to us americans (religious fanatics I dare say) its a big deal. When it all comes down to it its all about dollars and cents, Or Euros, or Durhams, or Looneys, or Sings, or Yen, or whatever you wanna call it. If there is no purse, no chance for advertisement opportunities, and no competition; there is no reason for any company or pro driver to attend any event.

Btw, is the Durango the new ifmar champ yet?

[David Church]

Great response wayborder!!! Still not quite sure what it means, apart from have a worlds at Dubai!!! Sounds good!!!!

I think it would make sense to hold a worlds on astro sometime. We race on anything we can over here. Clay doesnt work, too much rain, astro works best for most outdoor clubs, so why not a worlds on this surface???
I am sure the yanks will pick it up quickly and be fast, but I am sure our guys will be a bit quicker!!!

Chazz has made a post that more worlds should be in the states, I think a fair split around the world is best!!!

Re read the last bit to your post, and you basically said no money, no reason to do anything!!!!
Aw come on man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We do this sport cause we want to, not ever for the money!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Si Coe]

Worth pointing out that in the classes where tracks are the same worldwide (basically on-road) the US doesn't fare that well at all.

[wayboarder]

Agreed, there is no money in it for me at all. I still have to pay for everything. But when a lot of these guys are doing it for a living (pretty disheartening)... then its just not worth their time. I am fortunate to have Root, Cavalieri, and hartson in my pits at my local track, and have had the opportunity to joke around with Hayato a couple of times, and they just go where the money and competition is. If it all came down to hobbiest racing only, then I dont think a Ifmar event would ever take place and if it did, the results wouldnt reflect the world racers, just whoevers country it was in. So call it nationals haha.

Basically, im rooting for a ifmar in Dubai, just because I want another reason to go and spend some time at the wadi river water park and to go offroading in the endless sand dunes.


Ya but who runs onroad? Its about as exciting as watching Nascar, or watching paint dry?

[David Church]

[quote=wayboarder;296655]Agreed, there is no money in it for me at all. I still have to pay for everything. But when a lot of these guys are doing it for a living (pretty disheartening)... then its just not worth there time. I am fortunate to have Root, Cavalieri, and hartson in my pits at my local track, and have had the opportunity to joke around with Hayato a couple of times, and they just go where the money and competition is. If it all came down to hobbiest racing only, then I dont think a Ifmar event would ever take place and if it did, the results wouldnt reflect the world racers, just whoevers country it was in. So call it nationals haha.

Basically, im rooting for a ifmar in Dubai, just because I want another reason to go and spend some time at the wadi river water park and to go offroading in the endless sand dunes.Quote"



Thats so wrong....I will only go race if I get paid attitude!!!
These guys get paid cause we buy the products!!!!
they should want to be the worlsd champion!!!
I too know many top racers, Cragg, Martin, Stafford, Bradby, Moss, Williams, and a few yanks I met in Japan 2 years ago, these guys race cause they want too, not cause they will get paid for where they go. fair enough, they may not want to go win the local series, but they should want to win the worlds, wether or not they make loads of money!!!!