NE Regional Venues for 2009

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by baD

You are right of course, and this same discussion took place back then, with a vast number of drivers for the mid & northerly end of the region stating that stretching the region to Worksop in the South was too far of a stretch.
And the Worksop drivers also were unhappy to have to travel so far North for most of the rounds.
The point relevant to today is the same - the region is too big for a number who would like to complete a series without having to travel so far. Answer - smaller regions.

Bill. It seems you are quoting 'Vast Numbers' and 'Worksop drivers...who are unhappy' without actually backing up your statement.
Bearing in mind most of the 'Mid and Northerly' end of the region regularly turn up to the Worksop Indoor series, which you will be unaware of. Also, there are plenty of Worksop and beyond drivers who turn up to the 'Northerly' meetings without complaining.

The 'Old Worksop Club' left the North East region as the club organisers themselves were at that time racing in the Mid East region (The Allcrofts). No other reason... simple as. Having spent a lot of my spare time along with other people who are still on here working on the 'Old Worksop Track', I for one was disappointed at this decision. I'm glad to see the track back on the map and look forward to racing on it.

I personally don't think the region is too big for a number who would like to complete a series. I'd rather race in a region with 10 heats like there was on Sunday at Jarrow, than at a regional with 3 heats.

After all, you can miss out rounds and still complete a series.

Rather than stifling possibly the biggest regional series this country has by geography and here-say, why don't you let the committee decide the venues and then vote with your feet.

[notlawnomis]

What do you require Adam documented evidance for Bill's comment!! I'm sure Bill would not make this statement if it were untrue and was involved and in-attendance back then at regional and consortium level to be aware of the general feelings at the time. Your comment appears set, purely, to belittle Bills post so others will discount it. You also seem to find it very easy to make judgement on what Bill is also "not aware of". Its very easy to be high and mighty on a keyboard!!

Worksop series is just that, "Worksop Series" people attend because it is a great series, no matter where they come from, its not the "North East Worksop Series", hence people are not misconceived into thinking this is a series in the North East.

There appears to be two groups on this issue, one who are willing to travel to any venue to race on the best tracks possible and and best competition and those that want to race in a smaller geographical area. I'm not saying either are right or wrong, its down to personal choice, the first does seem very similar to the National series though.

To be named "North East" "Mid West" etc. regional series will give people the impression that the series will be held in that particualr region. As previously stated at some point in time, the consortium can agree, theoretically, to a meeting being held anywhere in the country. Perhaps the BRCA and their consortium representatives are misleading people into thinking these meeting are to be held in the area to which their title names are called. However if a series is short on venues do we look elsewhere in the country for a track of do you run at one venue twice??

Is having the biggest region in the country all positives?? Yes, I agree it will certainly improve the level of competition, especially for all those ultra competitive people. But for Joe Bloggs wanting to attend all these meetings as his/her racing year its not a good thing, if they are restricted from doing so for whatever reason due to the size of our theoretical region.

I'm lucky along with others to be in a position to travel if I want to. Its important to remember regionals are there as a breeding/training ground for new talent, it seems difficult enough to get new blood into the sport. Not all parents of kids wanting to be involved will want to travel long distances to get our new talent to the "regional meeting".

I'm sure I'll recieve some great replys to this, take it as you want to, its my opinion you don't have to agree!!

Simon

[Medders]

Any geographic region will have a centre point and those at one extreme of it will always moan about travelling to the other extreme. If there are enough meetings in the calendar for that reason (say 5) and 3 scores count, then if certain peeps cant travel the longer distances they don't necessarily have no.

Thinking back to last year, the 4wd series was jarrow, teeside, durham and york. Now if you live in West or South yorkshire that was at least two lengthy trips to get enough scoring rounds in.

If people want to do a regional series they should apppreciate there will be travelling involved, end of story and stop moaning. What is more a concern is that club level racing is becoming less well supported by the mid-top drivers - but this is another debate

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by notlawnomis

What do you require Adam documented evidance for Bill's comment!! I'm sure Bill would not make this statement if it were untrue and was involved and in-attendance back then at regional and consortium level to be aware of the general feelings at the time. Your comment appears set, purely, to belittle Bills post so others will discount it. You also seem to find it very easy to make judgement on what Bill is also "not aware of". Its very easy to be high and mighty on a keyboard!!

Worksop series is just that, "Worksop Series" people attend because it is a great series, no matter where they come from, its not the "North East Worksop Series", hence people are not misconceived into thinking this is a series in the North East.

There appears to be two groups on this issue, one who are willing to travel to any venue to race on the best tracks possible and and best competition and those that want to race in a smaller geographical area. I'm not saying either are right or wrong, its down to personal choice, the first does seem very similar to the National series though.

To be named "North East" "Mid West" etc. regional series will give people the impression that the series will be held in that particualr region. As previously stated at some point in time, the consortium can agree, theorectically, to a meeting being held anywhere in the country. Perhaps the BRCA and their consortium representatives are misleading people into thinking these meeting are to be held in the area to which their title names are called. However if a series is short on venues do we look elsewhere in the country for a track of do you run at one venue twice??

Is having the biggest region in the country all positives?? Yes, I agree it will certainly improve the level of competition, especially for all those ultra competitive people. But for Joe Bloggs wanting to attend all these meetings as his/her racing year its not a good thing, if they are restricted from doing so for whatever reason due to the size of our theorectical region.

I'm lucky along with others to be in a position to travel if I want to. Its important to remember regionals are there as a breeding/training ground for new talent, it seems difficult enough to get new blood into the sport. Not all parents of kids wanting to be involved will want to travel long distances to get our new talent to the "regional meeting".

I'm sure I'll recieve some great replys to this, take it as you want to, its my opinion you don't have to agree!!

Simon

Simon.
My post was simply referring to the Statement that Bill made needs some 'grounding'.
As you say, it's easy to be high and mighty on a Keyboard, this is not my aim, nor to belittle Bill.
I'd just like people to think before they post.
Having raced in the North East region since 1990 (I think). I don't remember vast numbers of people not wanting to race at 'Blyth' for a regional, or people moaning about traveling.

My comment about the Worksop series was purely pointing at the fact that people from the very North of our Region are attending the series and don't seem to complain about the travelling, so why would they complain about travelling to Blyth, which is just as easy to get to.

Personally, I think regionals are the next step on from club meetings. Club meetings are where new talent should be 'nurtured'. Let's not forget about club racing, without out it we won't have clubs to 'put-on' regionals.

Our 'regional round hosting' clubs started just as clubs at some point and it's important that these clubs keep going of their own accord.

I'm sure plenty of people will attend the 'North East' Outdoor Regional series this year as they have done before. Whether they do all or some of the rounds is irrelevant, that they are doing it it surely more important.

[big air]

I think everyone should stop bickering and race the bloody things

[johnboy]

Originally Posted by big air

I think everyone should stop bickering and race the bloody things

thats the most sensible comment on this thread wll said at the end of the day its a hobby and not that serious

[baD]

Adam, you misread my post. What I said is that "Worksop drivers also WERE unhappy" when Worksop was last in the NE region - not that the present ones are unhappy. You might want to rethink your comment. And as far as me needing to think before I post, perhaps you need to think and read before you do so.
I don't know the current Worksop lot but in the 80's / early 90's many of them and the far north lot often grumbled about the long distance. No, before you ask, I don’t have proof, no tape recordings or video evidence!
Wrong on point 2 also, as I am aware of the numbers from up here who went to the excellent Worksop series.
I too am glad that another track is back on the map, no matter where it is, it's good for the sport. I just happen to think the venue should not be part of the NE regional series.
I do know how far enthusiastic drivers will go, but the point is that it is too far for the less enthusiastic, the less skilled, who we need to encouraged to get into real competitive racing.
Medders - adds that those at the extreme ends of a region will always moan, which kind of proves the point that a geographically large region will cause moans. How you can then conclude that people should just stop moaning beats me. Yes I get the point that every region will have a centre point, kind of stating the obvious, but enlarging the region makes the extremes even more extreme. If the NE region was kept as was 2008, there is nothing to stop those who love tracks outside the region from going there, whether it’s Blyth or Southend !
And as to the last two posters, what a waste of space, if they can’t enjoy a healthy debate, why bother to read it, or waste the time writing drivel, no one forces them to read this, no one is forced to read Tolstoy’s War and Peace or the Bare Arse Monthly but personally I like both. (Ok I fibbed about liking War & Peace :-))
Everyone is entitled to an opinon, no matter how dumb it is

[Adam Skelding]

Hi Bill,
I didn't misread the post, I mis-typed my reply (my reply should have also read were). Maybe I should re-read before I post
Back then a few of the Worksop lot didn't like the travel to the North, these were the organisers and hence my later point about them moving to the Mid-East. The majority of the club and it's remaining benefactors were p###ed that they moved regions. At that time the Mid east had 2 or 3 tracks (Blyth and Holbeach). Their region died a death and has recently only really come back to life with successful clubs like Broxtowe and West Bridgeford coming into their region.

I'd hate to see our region fall into the same trap and start having declining numbers due to lack of rounds.

Geographically. (This is not a gripe). It's just fact.

When Jarrow was added to the N.E. Region is 2008. It can be noted it is 29.7 miles from the previous most northerly (consistent) venue of Teeside. (Via roads suggested by google maps).
{Removal of Bent's Park} if there is not to be a regional there this year as some are suggesting.

If Blyth is added to the N.E. Calendar this year. It can be noted it is 41.6 miles from the previous most southerly venue of Batley. (Via roads suggested by google maps)

Only 11.9 miles difference (23.8 miles total). Or to put it in real terms < £5 in fuel in the most un-economical car.

Shall we let the dates & venues come out and maybe look back at how it all went at the end of the year.

Other people have pointed out it is a hobby, without clubs/regions putting on a series it won't be a hobby, our cars will be dust-gathering.

It isn't bickering, it's airing of opinions, which is what forums are for, as well as writing utter b####ks and winding up your mates!

I'm done on this topic.

[footey]

just my thoughts i belive it would be better to split the region say run blyth batley bury in 1 area and then the northen venuse in another BIT CONTROVERSAL but just my thoughts this would stop bickering about the distances traveling especially in these financially hard times in the world

[bigred5765]

I believe that this is just bad publicity, and can only do harm to the region,

[Irri Tant]

hoo far dyer aal travel te nationals?

divvent heor any complaints there

[big air]

Originally Posted by baD

Adam, you misread my post. What I said is that "Worksop drivers also WERE unhappy" when Worksop was last in the NE region - not that the present ones are unhappy. You might want to rethink your comment. And as far as me needing to think before I post, perhaps you need to think and read before you do so.
I don't know the current Worksop lot but in the 80's / early 90's many of them and the far north lot often grumbled about the long distance. No, before you ask, I don’t have proof, no tape recordings or video evidence!
Wrong on point 2 also, as I am aware of the numbers from up here who went to the excellent Worksop series.
I too am glad that another track is back on the map, no matter where it is, it's good for the sport. I just happen to think the venue should not be part of the NE regional series.
I do know how far enthusiastic drivers will go, but the point is that it is too far for the less enthusiastic, the less skilled, who we need to encouraged to get into real competitive racing.
Medders - adds that those at the extreme ends of a region will always moan, which kind of proves the point that a geographically large region will cause moans. How you can then conclude that people should just stop moaning beats me. Yes I get the point that every region will have a centre point, kind of stating the obvious, but enlarging the region makes the extremes even more extreme. If the NE region was kept as was 2008, there is nothing to stop those who love tracks outside the region from going there, whether it’s Blyth or Southend !
And as to the last two posters, what a waste of space, if they can’t enjoy a healthy debate, why bother to read it, or waste the time writing drivel, no one forces them to read this, no one is forced to read Tolstoy’s War and Peace or the Bare Arse Monthly but personally I like both. (Ok I fibbed about liking War & Peace :-))
Everyone is entitled to an opinon, no matter how dumb it is

If you thought my post was drivel and a waste of space fair doo's just trying to put a light note on a fast becoming ground hog day match.
Was this not the same debate last year before the outdoors
im a newbie to offroad going to do all the north east outdoors this year.
If this is the crack before i get there whats it like track side
as big red says it can't be good for the region
So there are two simple ways to do this Travel or dont Travel i dont care if its in London Paris Milan im going
As for Bare Arse Monthly can you please refrain from reading this at Jarrow as my young son will be there next time

[johnboy]

Originally Posted by baD

Adam, you misread my post. What I said is that "Worksop drivers also WERE unhappy" when Worksop was last in the NE region - not that the present ones are unhappy. You might want to rethink your comment. And as far as me needing to think before I post, perhaps you need to think and read before you do so.
I don't know the current Worksop lot but in the 80's / early 90's many of them and the far north lot often grumbled about the long distance. No, before you ask, I don’t have proof, no tape recordings or video evidence!
Wrong on point 2 also, as I am aware of the numbers from up here who went to the excellent Worksop series.
I too am glad that another track is back on the map, no matter where it is, it's good for the sport. I just happen to think the venue should not be part of the NE regional series.
I do know how far enthusiastic drivers will go, but the point is that it is too far for the less enthusiastic, the less skilled, who we need to encouraged to get into real competitive racing.
Medders - adds that those at the extreme ends of a region will always moan, which kind of proves the point that a geographically large region will cause moans. How you can then conclude that people should just stop moaning beats me. Yes I get the point that every region will have a centre point, kind of stating the obvious, but enlarging the region makes the extremes even more extreme. If the NE region was kept as was 2008, there is nothing to stop those who love tracks outside the region from going there, whether it’s Blyth or Southend !
And as to the last two posters, what a waste of space, if they can’t enjoy a healthy debate, why bother to read it, or waste the time writing drivel, no one forces them to read this, no one is forced to read Tolstoy’s War and Peace or the Bare Arse Monthly but personally I like both. (Ok I fibbed about liking War & Peace :-))
Everyone is entitled to an opinon, no matter how dumb it is

So my opinion is a waste of space get a grip of yourself its model cars . ive not read so much rubbish in a long while . Lets have a new region Yorks and Lancs region with Blyth, Batley, Bury, Southport ect . Hows that sound to you then

[Lindsay]

May be those in the Far North East should remember that they used to classed in the Scottish Region and they would not travel that far North to venues.

[Mike Hudson]

All this will be put to bed by the time the dates are out and the outdoor season starts we had good turnouts at all the venues we had last year, we had 3 venues far up north last year (jarrow, south shields, teeside) and many from south end of the region traveled up with no problems and now there will be 2 further down the south of the NE region this year and now your squabling like kids that your going to have to travel further down the region now because you don't have the majority of the venues up your end. There will most likely be best 3 out of 4 or 5 rounds so you can always miss the furthest one away if you don't want to travel few more miles or even share lifts and half costs of getting there between you!
I'm glad blyth is coming back into the region as we've only had 1 multisurface track for years which is batley and the rest been just grass so it'll be nice to have an even mixture of tracks Not really bothered reading this thread it's got too much s***e in it to read, we have a good region so do your bit and support all the venues that put the hard effort in to put on the great meetings for you.

[footey]

Originally Posted by johnboy

So my opinion is a waste of space get a grip of self its model cars . ive not read so much rubbish in a long while . Lets have a new region Yorks and Lancs region with Blyth, Batley, Bury, Southport ect . Hows that sound to you then

john thats my thoughts

[Medders]

Originally Posted by Mike Hudson

All this will be put to bed by the time the dates are out and the outdoor season starts we had good turnouts at all the venues we had last year, we had 3 venues far up north last year (jarrow, south shields, teeside) and many from south end of the region traveled up with no problems and now there will be 2 further down the south of the NE region this year and now your squabling like kids that your going to have to travel further down the region now because you don't have the majority of the venues up your end. There will most likely be best 3 out of 4 or 5 rounds so you can always miss the furthest one away if you don't want to travel few more miles or even share lifts and half costs of getting there between you!
I'm glad blyth is coming back into the region as we've only had 1 multisurface track for years which is batley and the rest been just grass so it'll be nice to have an even mixture of tracks Not really bothered reading this thread it's got too much s***e in it to read, we have a good region so do your bit and support all the venues that put the hard effort in to put on the great meetings for you.

My thoughts exactly

[baD]

thanks guys - I'd call that a succesfull thread
Food for thought by the NE Consortium when they get together to sort this years venues.

Apologies to BigAir - didn't see the smiley at the end of your post, my eye caught on the tongue sticking out and yes I'll keep any magasines out of the way so you can't find them

Adam, enjoyed your last post (and the others) - thanks for the information - and particularly your comment "It isn't bickering, it's airing of opinions, which is what forums are for, as well as writing utter b####ks and winding up your mates!" which is what this has been - airing of opinions.