Kyosho RB6

[mikeyscott]

Ok I know it's 4WD, but how much was the Durango 410 when it first landed, close to £500?

I think what people are missing it's a buyers market with cars across the range that cater for all people. Like many things, pay your money take your choice.

Watches asio to Omega, both do the same.
Cars - Hyundia to Porsche, both do the same.
Home Appliances - Candy appliances - Miele, both do the same.

Seat, VW, Audi, Skoda, all come out of similar factories..

Pay your money and take the choice and having choice is great.

Do people get all grumpy and jealous when a Porsche parks up, no? Or when you visit and fantastic nice property, no?

If you do, then you've got a few issues...

Would i have a DEX210 for £200, err absolutely not, would rather race my Losi XXCR

[andys]

Originally Posted by mikeyscott

Ok I know it's 4WD, but how much was the Durango 410 when it first landed, close to £500?

Choice is great - yes

Durango - ok, but the latest 410 V3 is almost half the price of the original 410... ok it has more plastic, but the general trend of products like RC cars and most products these days is for prices to drop - not go through the roof. The RB6 looks mainly plastic too...

RC has become much cheaper over the years - MB are selling the latest Core RC lipos for a shade of £30, 2.4 radio sets - I bought one for £39 !

People are simply questioning why the silly price for the car - Who's pocketing the cash - that's all - especially seen as it looks suspiciously like the Losi 22....

[MattW]

Regarding cost, it will probably depend on where it is manufactured.

I think in principle, Andy makes a valid point that many RC manufactures sometimes use similar / the same manufactures in the far east - however, it's near impossible for the end consumer to know what is and isn't. Also, some of them don't.

Kyosho are a Japanese brand, so if they have some / many parts manufactured in Japen, then the costs here are significantly higher than China for example. This would be their choice, but it's potentially a gamble they take, as it forces up the kit price, and some potential customers would be put off by high prices. As an example, I believe this is a scenario that Yokomo have, and hence why their kits would be silly money were they to be available through the official UK distribution routes.

[oosh123]

I am from Vancouver, Canada.

I would like to ask why it is so expensive (350 pounds) in your area. amainhobbies is selling it for $450 USD from the US. That's 290 pounds.

If your area is really 350 pounds then that's $550 USD.

Also, after looking through the manual, and if you already have a RB5 SP2 or WC. You only need to spend money on parts that are numbered UM700-729 (depending which setup you want, midship or rear motor mount, you can omit some parts) + Body + Wing + Decal + UM561 (Hing pins for RT5/SC-R) to upgrade your RB5 to a RB6. Kyosho just changed the layout of the RB5 and kept all the essentials. Ordering those RB6 parts from RC Champ will cost about $230USD.

So, you don't really have to spend upwards of $550 USD for the brand new kit. But if you want the new box and manual plus all the left over plastics from the kit, by all means buy the brand new kit.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by oosh123

I am from Vancouver, Canada.

I would like to ask why it is so expensive (350 pounds) in your area. amainhobbies is selling it for $450 USD from the US. That's 290 pounds.

If your area is really 350 pounds then that's $550 USD.

Dont forget to add UK VAT (20%) to your calculations plus a possible import duty of around 3%, makes your £290 become £358 and that is only if you compare the "banks" exchange rate today of 1.58, real time transactions between buinsess are taking place at more like 1.52 at present.....

A kit purchased today (should they be avialable) at that price would be approx £365 before any shipping costs or delivery surcharges are added

[The Chef]

The price is the price. Buy it don't buy it. I'm in the states at the moment and Losi stuff is the same price as it is in the UK, Go Figure.

Yes you can buy a 2.4 system for £39 you can also buy one for £399 and there is no shortage of those out there using the £399 system.

There is a big price difference between the Kyosho and other kits but you do get what you pay for. For example, I replace my out drives and and drive shafts once every 8 months where as the guy I go racing with most weekends replaces his every 6-8 weeks on his buggy. Diff plates never wear out, diffs stay smooth for ages. That is not to say that they are maintenance free but the components last much longer. I wouldn't run anything else now.

I also think that the parts are made in the Japanese factory although I could be wrong.

If all you have to post on the thread that it is too expensive then is it worth posting.

As it says on the box "The Finest Radio Controlled Models".

[Raphalite]

Now listed and downloadable within the support section on Kyosho's Europes website is the manual, set up sheet and parts lists which collectively have given me hours of fun.

http://www.kyosho.com/eng/support/in...ggy_index.html

Keen to understand anyones views on the ideal battery configuration for a midship set up. Having seen Tebos set up where he'd cut off the WTS section on his Orion battery, my feeling is that a Short Lipo will be the set up off choice.

Dead excited about the release of this car, I have been seeking a 10th offroad 2WD weapon for six months and I think my pondering is all but complete.

[coleman758]

People pay more money for quality products!
if they didn't we would all be driving mad monkeys!

I've just bought a DB1, its not cheap by any means. But i'm a firm believer you get what you pay for.

I guess time will tell, But the RB6 will have to be some quality to pull off the £360 price tag.

[Lonestar]

the price discussion is not uninteresting...

there's the cost of the RB6 in isolation, and then its impact in the category.

In isolation, it's simple - it's expensive, if you like it and you can buy it go ahead, if you don't then don't. On most full-scall tracks a well driven elise will be just as fast as the biggest porsche for a fraction of the price. I'd rather own the porsche though, but if I can't I don't diss the german car for being expensive.

In the category - the pricing of the kyosho would be worrying and scandalous if kyosho were price setters in the class, in which case everyone would price up. The day when AE jacks up the B4 price by 50%, then I'll be worried. for the moment, Kyosho is already priced way into the upper tier, any car they sell - they don't have enough pull on the market to drive prices by themselves

Net - if any mechanical "sport", if you want to race competitively there's a cost. The trick is to not spend way beyond either (a) your skill level as there's a point of diminishing returns in the cost of that last tenth of second and (b) your personal budget as you (and your family) don't want to be left eating (raw) potatoes for the rest of the year!

As far as I'm concerned, some wise friend of mine noticed when I was getting all aroused about that car that the RB6 doesn't have the critical droop screws like the DEX does... so he just saved me a lot of money

Paul

[Lonestar]

On another note, I though TD had patented the 3/4 gear modulable transmission architecture??? Is Kyosho not infringing patterns here?

Paul

[Andyp]

Originally Posted by Lonestar

On another note, I though TD had patented the 3/4 gear modulable transmission architecture??? Is Kyosho not infringing patterns here?

Paul

No expert on these sort of things but I think the TD's patent is for the rm3,rm4,mm3 and mm4 to be able to be used with the same gearbox housing.

Kyosho, like losi use a separate housing for different config's

[coleman758]

Corrcet, The RB6 uses two different boxes, Much like the 22??

[Lonestar]

Originally Posted by coleman758

Corrcet, The RB6 uses two different boxes, Much like the 22??

ok got it . thanks for clearing things up

[Arn0]

Editable setup sheet available on petit if anyone interested.

[andys]

Originally Posted by Lonestar

the price discussion is not uninteresting...


In the category - the pricing of the kyosho would be worrying and scandalous if kyosho were price setters in the class, in which case everyone would price up. The day when AE jacks up the B4 price by 50%, then I'll be worried. for the moment, Kyosho is already priced way into the upper tier, any car they sell - they don't have enough pull on the market to drive prices by themselves

Paul

Great point - and well made. This is exactly what worries me - and why I said I wouldn't buy one out of principle - as the price is too high.

What's worrying - is enough people thinks its worth it (I for one do not at all and as a ex Kyosho owner - I believe anyone saying the kits are higher quality is deluded... ) will inevitably lead to other manufacturers charging more for their kits. Food for thought.

I for one think we should send a message to Kyosho - and the RC manufacturers who will be watching this over priced kit closely - and leave them on the shelves

[AndyG]

Go Shilly ! POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!

[andys]

Originally Posted by AndyG

Go Shilly ! POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!

Nice

[tyreman]

I don't see the problem with the price, With the exception of the Durango 210, Cougar svr/sv2 and Losi 22 all around the £200 mark, all of the other mid motor cars are around the £350+ mark.

Centro C4.1 - B4.1 £190 + £160 for the conversion
Vega - donor (RB5,TRF201,B4.1) price £190-£279 + £210 for the conversion
DB01 - Lazer £399 + RB5 £279 + £200 for the conversion

People have happly payed for for the above cars so i don't see where the arguement is comming from??

[andys]

Originally Posted by tyreman

I don't see the problem with the price, With the exception of the Durango 210, Cougar svr/sv2 and Losi 22 all around the £200 mark, all of the other mid motor cars are around the £350+ mark.

Centro C4.1 - B4.1 £190 + £160 for the conversion
Vega - donor (RB5,TRF201,B4.1) price £190-£279 + £210 for the conversion
DB01 - Lazer £399 + RB5 £279 + £200 for the conversion

People have happly payed for for the above cars so i don't see where the arguement is comming from??

Your missing the point mate - the conversions don't come into the equation as generally they are made by small specialist companies with significant costs in getting the product to market. Also - it's kind of like buying 2 kits.

Conversion sales will probably slow down - with the release of so many new kits that meet the needs / gaps in the market that the conversions filled...

Kyosho is a MAJOR player in the hobby market - so it's of concern that the pricing is so high when it's just one car - from one manufacturer - in one box.

[mikeyscott]

Originally Posted by tyreman

I don't see the problem with the price, With the exception of the Durango 210, Cougar svr/sv2 and Losi 22 all around the £200 mark, all of the other mid motor cars are around the £350+ mark.

Centro C4.1 - B4.1 £190 + £160 for the conversion
Vega - donor (RB5,TRF201,B4.1) price £190-£279 + £210 for the conversion
DB01 - Lazer £399 + RB5 £279 + £200 for the conversion

People have happly payed for for the above cars so i don't see where the arguement is comming from??

I have to say I agree with Brian here