ATTENTION UK TIRE MANUFACTUER’S

[Chrislong]

I had harder REARS, and my fronts were all soft that I am aware of (I still have some in bags I haven't checked)

Chris, sorry mate, understand you correcting people making assumptions and you are rightly doing so.

I don't want or expect my money back, I don't want to fall out with any people or companies as CML are good people and it isn't there fault, they are just the middlemen, and so is everyone here, I just would like an acknowledgement of an issue existing and some word of it not continueing so I can have faith in the product.

This is toy car racing, I do it because I enjoy it, and I won;t enjoy it if I am running wrongly bagged tyres (if that is what happened). What I will do if I have no confidence in one product is use another product until I have confirmation that that issue has been dealt with. Id like to use GRP's but we can;t at nationals, except on the front (which I did, in 2wd)

Chris

[DaveG28]

Don't get me wrong Tom, I totally agree with you 100%, I'm just pointing out the potential legal side of it.

This is the downside of control tires, in an open market we could all switch to GRP or another supplier in protest and hit BB and Sch in the wallet where it hurts!

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by RCbob

There is a positive side to this weekend though.

Nobody got kneecapped by an aero front bumper

PMSL, your a legend.

[Wraggy]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

My post has been edited. Still doesn't make it right though.

no i agree with you Tom , but just had to correct you slightly .

[MattW]

I think there were more than just "soft" and "hard" Greens in use over the weekend. I sampled a bit of a range from a fellow racer, and there was defenetly a "medium" in there as well!!!

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by DaveG28

This is the downside of control tires, in an open market we could all switch to GRP or another supplier in protest and hit BB and Sch in the wallet where it hurts!

Tire rules have been change mid-season before, albeit for a different situation, with TR32's a few years ago, 3a Raceway if I remember correctly. The drivers voted on it at Batley National at driver's briefing.

[DCM]

Originally Posted by losixxx

slight miss quote on what i said DCM

''what i did do was correct someone who posted something that wasnt correct, ie shops don't pay for tyres straight away.''

do anyone know what sort of payment option ALL the shops who supplied tyres to drivers at this national had, no!

it all depends on what arrangement that said shop had done with his sales rep or CML direct. There are options.

I won't go into details on the different types of arrangements, if someone like Dom wish to, up to him. It all depends on what the deal is between the shop and rep.

[Lee]

I dont want to speak out of term here but it would be good to have a safe option also, i know why we have the 2 different tyres ie to keep cost down and keep it simple but we already have the option of 2 componds per manufacturer and thats just for the rears. what real difference would throwing another "spike" into the ring really do apart from give the drivers an option.

We all pretty much know what tyre works before we get to the track thanks to forums etc so its not like we would turn up and find out the tyre we have bought doesn`t work.


Just an option and im sure it will not happen this season, but some consistency would be nice.

[dave g]

the tr32 was voted againt for holbeach i thnk tom since we couldnt get them at the time.

this isnt the first time that ballistic have dropped the ball regards tyres,i remember a few yrs ago when no onehad stock of them at kiddy when it rained one year.

you should all get a letter or petition signed up and sent in to the brca expressing your concerns about what tyres were chosen and demand another tyre choice..afterall its YOUR brca.

[Doomanic]

How or when the shops pay for tyres is immaterial. It is not viable to hold thousands of pounds worth of tyres in stock "just in case".

My tyres for Kiddy were all new stock from the distributors, delivered/collected last week.

There was a notable difference between front and rear for sure, but has it occurred to anyone that it may have been the rears that were too soft?
The rears I have in stock don't seem much different to pinks, but the fronts are definitely softer than blues.

Whatever the outcome of any investigation by the supplier, I hope it is sorted before Oswestry.

Incidentally, I only had one pair of fronts returned at the weekend and I gave the chap his money back.

[glypo]

Control tyres are such a stupid idea. Rallycross has no control tyres..... and that's hardly a struggling class.

Anyway, I would strongly urge people to refrain from commenting that certain companies actions are illegal. It show a lack of legal knowledge and could land you in trouble yourself (although I doubt very much in this case it would).

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by glypo

Control tyres are such a stupid idea.

I strongly dissagree with this statement.

When I attend a venue like Kiddy, which i can;t get to between nationals, I don't want to be carrying Schuey spikes, pins; BB spikes, pins; GRP's. I want to turn up with the control tyre, research the compound recommended and hit the track just working on setup, not tyre choice.

This is exactly why the BRCA have a nominated choice, and why I 100% agree with it being there.

[Lee]

Agree`d chris

(if everyone gets the same tyres )

[Lee Martin]

control tyre is a must have!!!!!!!!

trust its very different in Rallyx.............

so many people make tyres in it and our sponsered for tyres etc......
control tyre meetings are the only way to do business!

[Kopite]

control tyres are not a stupid idea at all. it saves us a lot of money

Andy Newbound had a set of the harder tyres too (and i think they were rears), he just took them out of the bag and instantly noticed that they were like a blue compound. At the time, i told him he was being gay, but i didn't realise that he was right!!

Maybe i was running the harder compound too. Balls, if i had the softer compound, i would've lapped Craggy

...but seriously though (), irrespective of whether Pidge had the harder compound and still drove immaculately on Sunday, this is pretty damn bad. If this is really the case, then i am very reluctant to buy any more BB's.

[Lee]

I agree pidge was awesome (not bad for a reserve) and if he was on the hard green then pidge has proven that you can polish a turd

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by glypo

Control tyres are such a stupid idea. Rallycross has no control tyres..... and that's hardly a struggling class.

Anyway, I would strongly urge people to refrain from commenting that certain companies actions are illegal. It show a lack of legal knowledge and could land you in trouble yourself (although I doubt very much in this case it would).

10th isn't a struggling class. I've no problem with the Tire rules just the piss poor Quality Control that has ruined my meeting.

[DCM]

control tyres are best, saves you cash in the end, just got to ensure that the control tyres are 'correct'!

[rallyraid]

Reading this thread. I don't think that you can do much to resolve the situation for this year, other than to check your new tyres before you leave the shop.
Also make a proposal to the BRCA 1/10 committee for the AGM to have xxxx tyre as a control tyre for 2009.
Then go to the AGM to vote it in.
So get together and make your voice count..
Rich

[Nick Goodall]

RallyX cars don't work the same as 1/10th though so from what i've seen / been told you can get away with other tyres and it doesn't matter quite so much.

Can you imagine going back to the days of a set of Losi Pins per run front and rear? What a nightmare! Let along having to carry enough sets of every single possible combination!