Why do we have MEP's who come out with twaddle!!!

[MK999]

Heavy breathing sheep.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by loose

lol - yeah lets believe the evidence provided by the oil company sponsored scientists, or the clever spin boys who point out that millions of years ago you'd buy a Magnum to cool down in the Antartic.

This against evidence provided by environmental campaign groups who also spin their case to make things as bad as possible.

Just my opinion guys, dont give me any Clarkeson-esque diatribe cos I aint buyin it. Just have a look at the changes in a decade or so to snow lines and weather patterns in more extreme parts of the world. THen look at independant evidence and make your own minds up.

You get a bit sick of it when everyone goes on about one side of the argument, passed off as independent evidence, yet anyone expressing a different opinion is 'sponsored by the oil companies' rather than allowed their say so we could actually make our own minds up.

We are all constantly told that CO2 is the biggest problem and cars are the biggest contributor, but things that are conveniently forgotten by the campaigners is that there is more greenhouse gas produced from cows farting than from all the cars on the roads, but I don't see any campaigns to stop us all eating meat. We all contribute to the CO2 emissions just by breathing, so the CO2 rise could also be caused by the population explosion in the 20th century, with more people and more animals to feed us all contributing. There has also been increase in solar radiation in the past 20 years that could also be the source of global warming, which means it has nothing to do with us.

I will happily agree the climate is changing, but can be hard to believe a lot of the 'evidence' from either side, especially when most of it is strongly biased one way or the other. For all the expert opinions we have never gone through this in the past so we don't actually know what is going to happen.



Getting back on topic limiting the top speed will make no difference at all to emissions, considering 99.9% of cars never go that fast. Cars in Japan are limited to 112mph maximum, it's not stopped them making Imprezas and Evos which aren't exactly known for their fuel efficiency.

As has been said before modern cars would be more fuel efficient if they EC hadn't insisted on putting lots of safety equipment into cars. It does seem this is something that hasn't been thought through at all, as usual, but will get lots of publicity of the EC.

Removing stupid road calming measures so we don't have to slow down and speed up again and converting bus lanes back to roads will all reduce congestion, which will reduce CO2 emissions. Don't see anyone campaigning for that though.

[DCM]

speed and safety go hand in hand, you make someone 'feel' safe they will be more inclined to go faster. 1 in 10 people sitting in the front of a car still don't wear a seatbelt either.

CO2 effects the ozone layer which allows more solar energy in, causing the greenhouse effect. Nature is all about balance, and when something goes out of balance, it can effect many other things.

[losidan]

maybe we should start a pressure group to get farmers to have catalytic convertors fitted to their cows arses before they can use them in their dairy farm

[loose]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

This against evidence provided by environmental campaign groups who also spin their case to make things as bad as possible.

You get a bit sick of it when everyone goes on about one side of the argument, passed off as independent evidence, yet anyone expressing a different opinion is 'sponsored by the oil companies' rather than allowed their say so we could actually make our own minds up.

You work for Esso? Please dont put words in my mouth mate, I never said all evidence from one side of the argument was oil company sponsored, but if you think a chunk of it aint you're deluded. Sure there's as much extreme rubbish coming from the tree huggers, what I was saying was I dont agree when people read the evidence they'd LIKE to believe then bury their head in the sand and say its nothing to do with us!

DCM sums it up pretty well there, its about balance. To carry on as we are (not just with car emmissions, I'm talking more generic) then do nothing to redress the balance is just dumb. Any little helps, cue attempts at humour about recycling donkey farts or something. Its just about forming an opinion about something based on as much evidence as you can. We dont have to dismiss any green issues out of hand to prove what cool petrol heads we are.

I aint no bleedin heart liberal, and I loved my mates V8, and in the right the place I love speed. I just think people who totally deny any culpability are as daft as those chaining themselves to a bush wearing jumper made from knitted hemp.

What do I know though!

[VONDUTCH]

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