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I'm sure our troops did what they could to minimise casualties, but who gave us the right to make the decision to make it worse???

I see your point about the 20 year contract, but again as a sovereign country, that's their right. What alternative method would you prefer for the decision to be made?

To stay out of the iraqi oil until it has settled completely and has proven its stability without western interference and corruption, possibly even silently subsidised by the western world as iraq needs money which is why they have opened bidding for oil again. When they have proven that then they should allow companies to come in and extract the oil at a discounted rate of tax until the money is repaid.


I dont think tony blair or bush wole up one morning and said "lets wreck iraq". How do we know its just out bombs that have taken down schools, treatment plants etc, do they not have suicide bombers?


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Yeah they have suicide bombers now. Just didn't before we turned up...
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No they just killed people under saddams orders, its the same but it wasnt on every news channel and the net as soon as it happened for all to see.
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No they just killed people under saddams orders, its the same but it wasnt on every news channel and the net as soon as it happened for all to see.

Not as many people. Not as frequently.

No one argues Saddam was nice, but that doesn't make what we did right. Still, can't see anyones opinion changing this long after the event so Millzy is probably right! Probably best to agree to disagree!
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Fact : There were no WMD in Iraq.

Fact : The US did not go there to free the iraqui people. If they did, why don't they go and free the people of EVERY country where a dictature is in place? Why don't they do anything in the many african countries at war?

Fact : Hussein's regime was a hard dictatorship, BUT he managed to keep the terrorists at bay, it's the invasion by the US military that allowed terrorists to get in there.

Fact : the only reason the US went there were that they weren't winning the war in Afghanistan AND they wanted the oil.

Fact : People die all the time in Iraq as a result of bombings.

How can you say it's a better place now and WHO gave the US the RIGHT to invade them? What would any of you were to say if another country invaded yours because they wanted to? What would you say if they demoted your leaders and put a regime on the model of theirs ignoring totally what the culture of your country is?

While I totally agree that Saddam's regime had to end, so do a lot of others and nothing is done about it. AND it has to be done through the people's will NOT forced by another country through invasion.

I am so glad my country didn't go to Iraq, this is maybe the only good thing our former president did...
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How can you say it's a better place now and WHO gave the US the RIGHT to invade them? What would any of you were to say if another country invaded yours because they wanted to? What would you say if they demoted your leaders and put a regime on the model of theirs ignoring totally what the culture of your country is?...
Nobody gives someone a right to invade, if they did it would be called an invite, 2 of the worlds most powerful men had to make a decision and they had to stick by it or sit back and watch. Its not about oil, they will never make back in oil profits what they have spent on the war.


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I am so glad my country didn't go to Iraq,
Only because they couldn't decide what side to join up with or who was winning
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Nobody gives someone a right to invade, if they did it would be called an invite, 2 of the worlds most powerful men had to make a decision and they had to stick by it or sit back and watch. Its not about oil, they will never make back in oil profits what they have spent on the war.
It was all about the Oil, the rebuild works etc... Maybe Blair was fooled by Bush but the US never went there for any other reason than to try and boost their economy.
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so why spend 100's of billions of dollars if it was to boost their economy, the US is or could be self sufficient.

If your honest, saddam had to be stopped and nobody else had the balls to stop him. im not saying its right in what they did but he had to be stopped somehow
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its NOT about why they went in its now about the thousands of people that have lost there lifes if we was to pull out it would all be for nothing as it would go back to how it was run so they have to stay in there
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its NOT about why they went in its now about the thousands of people that have lost there lifes if we was to pull out it would all be for nothing as it would go back to how it was run so they have to stay in there
Agree we can't pull out now, I think we owe it to Iraq to see it out!
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I am so glad my country didn't go to Iraq, we were too busy waving a white flag...
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Bit of xenophobia and flag waving always goes down well. I find some of these posts slightly off topic and offensive so lets calm it down guys and keep on topic or take it onto some sort of politics discussion site as we don't want anyone falling out on here.
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Sorry Jimmy! Hopefully not fallen out with anyone, like I said earlier am happy to agree to disagree!
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Dick Cheney, former CEO and major share holder of Haliburton advises Bush to invade Iraq, one of the most oil rich countries in the world.

Haliburton is very involved in oil... and also who also got billions worth of supply contracts in Iraq... Haliburton. Dick Cheney profited hugely from it, as did the whole of the administration. Anyone who doesn't think the war was about oil is blind.

One of my brothers used to work for Haliburton, and when the war was first proposed he said straight away it was about oil while people were still talking about WMDs. America has nowhere near enough oil to sustain itself, so has to rely on states that aren't exactly friendly to it. So Iraq not only gives the administration money, but helps ensure their energy supply for the future.

We have the Falklands, plenty of oil there for when the North Sea runs out (though it's deep and hard rock and horrible ocean, but when there is enough demand...).

We can't just pull out of Iraq, it needs to be carefully planned. So I agree with the above also.

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Oops, sorry, I misread the post .................... I thought it said 'who'll buy my pinions'
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Time for a go !!!!

Although I belive that oil is a major factor in the situation If the offending parties had not invited an invasion then things might be different !

Sadam started it all in the first place by invading a neigbouring country which he new all to well would be protected by us and the USA!!!
Thick or what ??? or intelligent maybee he new they would not finnish the job !

Then after he got away with that he then most likely funds and supports an extremist group who basically gave the USA the best excuse ever to finnish the job !

Put into simple terms !

Some one attacks your mate and trys to nick his sweets which he shares with you, you help defend him !

Someone smacks you in the gob ! You give him a smack back and take his sweets !

If that someone is a lot bigger than you then you deserve everything you get!


As for Obama which this thread was origionaly for "Give the guy a chance he has 4 years to try and sort things out " can he be any worse than bush ??? only time will tell !
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Imo it doesn't seem to matter who gets into power and what their intensions are the public always seems to get fisted.
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