Why are people such *%*^ers these days?

[SlowOne]

Careful with your praise of ASBOs, they are one of the biggest infringements on civil liberties known to man.

All that's needed to get an ASBO is a complaint from someone to the Police, with their evidence. There is no trial, no proper collection of evidence, no defence attorny, no judge, no jury - all it needs is a policeman to tick a few boxes on a checklist.

However, if you break your ASBO, you go to jail. You can end up in jail without ever receiving a trial, without ever being given a chance to present your case, and with no right to appeal. When this happened in Iraq, someone decided to invade and kill people - the same person who thought up ASBOs. While this is happening in Zimbabwe, no one gives a s**t.

The UK is fast becoming a dictatorship. Two years ago, an 80 year-old man heckled Tony Blair at the Labour Party Conference. He was arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act and held for 24 hours without charge, and without representation. That's the act of a third-world dictator, not a 21st century democracy.

At least if someone goes to Juvenile Hall, they have had a trial. Given a choice, your system does at least sound like a civilised society, whereas ASBOs are unjust and undemocratic. Don't get me wrong, people who break the Law must be caught and prosecuted, but to do that we need more Police and Prosecutors. You might not like what you have, but ASBOs are not the answer.

[Snakesonaplayne6]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

Careful with your praise of ASBOs, they are one of the biggest infringements on civil liberties known to man.

By no means am I saying ASBO's are the way to go. And you don't get a "trial" per say, in the case of juvy', it's really where you tell the judge why you don't want to go, and then they send you away.

[rcluke]

all chavs should be shot.

thats my view

[savageman25]

i wouldnt say all chavs should be shot as i no i few chavs who are ok, its the ones that hang around outside shops and things who cause trouble who should be delt with, i cant stand the little s**ts but then again its not all there fault, its the parents who dont give a toss what there kids do, ive complained to some of these so called 'parents' and all they say is ill deal with it when you no bloody full well that there kids will be out doing the same thing later that day.

[cwilson]

Originally Posted by rcluke

all chavs should be shot.

i think so to but as savvyman said all the little shits who hang outside shops and steal people bikes and stuff should be hung dwarn and quartered(for people dont know what that is look it up) but only those ones

heres a good joke. why is 3 chavs in a polo going over a cliff a shame?

[Lee]

because you could have got 2 more in?
Quote:

hung dwarn and quartered(for people dont know what that is look it up)quote

I also looked it up and its definateley Hung, drawn and quartered

[savageman25]

Its not just chavs though causing trouble though, if you look at alot of kid/teenager crime some of it is done by one man bands, in other words people who have failed at school and everything else in there sorry exscuse for a life and get there kicks from causing trouble, but as i said 9 times out of 10 i reckon its the bloody parents fault.

[SlowOne]

I appreciate I'll get flamed, or something, for this...

If I just read what you typed, and took that as some indication of your level of education, then the spelling and grammar would lead me to believe that none of you managed to complete school.

No for know, there for their, delt for dealt, definateley for definitely, and a lack of capital letters, punctuation and sentence construction. Yes, it was different in my day, and yes, I realise it might seem a bit petty to those who posted. Ask yourselves; if all the image you had of someone was what they typed on here, how many chavs, who failed school, might we assume there are...? Perhaps we shouldn't be too quick to attach labels to people we see conforming to a stereotype, and wonder what would happen if we couldn't see them...?

Just a thought... or two...

[DaveG28]

Hopefully I won't get too castigated for this, but....

For everyone complaining how terrible human rights etc are, remember that its only some parts of them that are creating problems, and also that other countires with the same human rights acts don't seem to end up having to give criminals compensation when they get bashed by a homeowner etc.

Its really important that we don't lose our human rights as a nation, remember we always come at this as assuming we know who's guilty and who isn't etc, when that isn't the case. Take Colin Stagg, plenty of people would have said no human rights for a killer, same with Barry George, could have been dead by the time we realised the wrong guy was locked up, if we had the death penalty etc.

So everyone please remember, if you think things like being locked up for over a month without being charged is a good idea, rememberit could be you locked up, you know your not a criminal but the point is that doesn't matter!!

BTW, I am NOT saying I support a lot of the rubbish that goes on in the name of human rights, like compo for crim's etc, I am just saying its a balancing act!

[Lee]

Originally Posted by DaveG28

So everyone please remember, if you think things like being locked up for over a month without being charged is a good idea, rememberit could be you locked up, you know your not a criminal but the point is that doesn't matter!!

Luckily it was only 36 hours and an escorted flight back from khazakstan

[savageman25]

not meaning any offence to slowone, or trying to start an argument but i can use punctuation and spelling but i just dont do it on forums because i only get about 20 mins aday max on the comp so have to be quick
sorry if im sounding abit argumentative though

[Lee]

I know what you mean mate, i can construct a sentence correctly also, i just choose not too on a forum, its part of my human rights

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by Lee

I know what you mean mate, i can construct a sentence correctly also, i just choose not too on a forum, its part of my human rights

So wouldn't it be my human right to brand you a chav when you type like that??

My 30-odd years experience of RC tells me that the likelihood of 'talking' to a complete a******e, or knife-wielding chav, on forums like these are pretty low, so how people type and spell doesn't phase me much. I'm just not so sure when on other forums...

[savageman25]

im abit lost now, are you calling people who type wrong chavs or not?
lol

[Lee]

I know what you mean Slow one.

It is easy to spot the really thick people anyway, im not saying they are bad people but they do stand out in the crowd.

You can call me a chav if you want, ill just down a bottle of white lightning and stab you whilst wearing my hoodie


( the above was a joke)

[niggs98]

Originally Posted by Lee

I know what you mean Slow one.

It is easy to spot the really thick people anyway, im not saying they are bad people but they do stand out in the crowd.

You can call me a chav if you want, ill just down a bottle of white lightning and stab you whilst wearing my hoodie


( the above was a joke)

does this mean we can start calling ya chav mag rather than lee mag

[Lee]

I think chav mag sounds wrong, lee-mag does seem to have stuck tough, i dont mind though it could be a lot worse

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Originally Posted by lochness42

Sad things happens these days. As I see 13-14 years old girls drunk and smoking I want to cry. I can't understand what's happening to this world. (I'm almost 19 so most people still think that I belong to them - worse than anything)

It's even worse around here, lot of pregnant teens have been walking the streets latey. It's truely very sad.

There is also a guy that my brother used to be freinds with that made suicide notes to kill his family and stuff. And his parents house was abandoned recently and him and another guy broke into the house and sniffed canned air.
Both of them got arrested and got charged for breaking and entering, and a bunch of other charges like stolen property etc...
It was in the newspaper a week ago. Pretty crazy...

[Nolan BJ4WE]

Originally Posted by rcluke

all chavs should be shot.

thats my view

And Mine!!

[lochness42]

Originally Posted by B44&501xRacerEX

It's even worse around here, lot of pregnant teens have been walking the streets latey. It's truely very sad.

14 years old girls that allready had sex is nothing uncommon here. It's just not that common that they're pregnant (maybe they think a little and use condoms).