2nd June - LDA tyres

[reelman_fishing]

Originally Posted by sly

I heard a whisper from the horses mouth that silvers are .5 sec slower per lap..

Was that just before it went into a burger

[sly]

Originally Posted by andy110m

I've an idea, instead of all the speculation, why not come to a meeting and find out?

Thats the point of getting a regional, the hope is people will come and check the venue out before the event, see how good it is and maybe come more regularly.

But at this point I don't know what Mark must be thinking. Well I do actually but I don't want to put words in his mouth.

He's trying to give something back, provide something completely unique in the Northwest, he's not asking for thanks but I'd of thought he could of expected some support from racers but it appears not.

So my view, and its only one man's view, if you don't want to get your car dirty, don't want to race with no tyre wear on a surface entirely different or plain old just don't fancy it then please don't bother coming. However, if you do, then you'll be very welcome and we'll have a great time.

So If i come along to have what you call 'a great time', Then I believe the original question in post 1 comes up again. Which tires?

Originally Posted by danDanEFC

Andy I have been and enjoyed the racing and venue.

You know we are all old lady's worrying about everything.

I along with Grumpy couldn't find the right tires and others were definitely quicker.

If there is a different tire/setup that works better sharing that info can only help LDA

As Aidan and others have tried and shared there findings that the tires they have used are crap. so post 1 comes up again Which Tires?

Originally Posted by andy110m

Yes, I know you've been bud. There is no special tyre thats loads quicker than others. Most people use silver spikes although some have said blues are better, I like holeshots, I think Mark uses those cheap JC tyres or something, others have used full spikes. Really its down the individual, I tried the fastrax turf gripper last meeting and they worked OK. I don't think any tyre is going to be on rails so to speak, anything with spikes will work.

To address the 0.5 seconds issue thats come up I'll ask a question, the last time you (and when I say you I'm not aiming you at you Aid - just a general statement) raced Mark Smith at Southport, how did your fastest lap compare to his?

http://www.srcc.co.uk/index.php?pid=628 0.57sec, ave 2.02secs

Now you name 'JC tyres or something' now starts to answer the questions everyone is asking.
With a answer that everyone is asking why should they turn up to be uncompetitive on the tires that most people say dont work?

Some transparency from the start might of seem more drivers at the venue.

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Mark was/is using Cut Spikes

Thanks for your answer.

[Evo_Snr]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Mark was/is using Cut Spikes

Can you please put a link up for the 1/10th cut spikes as used by Mark. As I can not find the on the web site. Also will there be enough stock to cover most drivers at the Regional. Please put up any other dealers that carry stock.

[V6Jim]

A link won't work due to the nature of the JC website.

So, go here: http://www.jcracingproducts.co.uk/products/

Then JC Racing - Wheels - 1/10th Buggy Off-Road - 10th 4WD/2WD Cut spikes.

They look like they should work well, with good length of spike and plenty space between the spikes to allow the dirt not to clag. They're also cheap and come with inserts!

However, too much grip could be a bad thing as I saw quite a lot of cars grip rolling. That's why I stuck with the Yellow Schu Mini Spikes. They slid a bit, but still gave satisfactory, predictable performance.

Jimmy

[andy110m]

Guys, thats just the tyre Mark used a meeting or so ago, I've tried them and they aren't any better than what I had, if fact I thought the fastrax was better.

The first few meetings Mark used Balistics and was still the quickest car at the meeting, no mystery here, fastest driver does the fastest time - I can't work out why some people think this is shocking.

We are being as transparent as possible, any round black tyre with spikes works, nothing has mega grip. Its simply down to personal choice.

But now we're back to the issue I raised earlier, how many of you are planning to attend a few meetings before the regional to try the surface and see what we're saying is correct?

[andy110m]

I've just followed that link.

Heck I was right when I said cheap JC tyres, £4.99 a pair - wow, that is cheap. I know why Mark was using them now.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by andy110m

I've just followed that link.

Heck I was right when I said cheap JC tyres, £4.99 a pair - wow, that is cheap. I know why Mark was using them now.

Nothing wrong with 'cheap' Andy

I am down at JC Racing Products tomorrow for a meeting and to pick up some stock of 1/8 scale stuff for PRCC on Sunday, so will see what level of stock John has of the Cut Spikes or can get before June 2. Fairly sure that they come in both medium and soft compounds. Will post back on here.

As previously mentioned, if you want more detail, go to JC website (www.jcracingproducts.co.uk) select products>JC Racing>Wheels>1/10 buggy offroad>5th item down "Cut Spike tyres.

I'm quite happy to bring stock of these up for Mark to sell on the day if people are interested.

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by andy110m

But now we're back to the issue I raised earlier, how many of you are planning to attend a few meetings before the regional to try the surface and see what we're saying is correct?

For what its worth, I think that LDA would go a long way to helping themselves if they stuck to dates posted. For many of us to get there on time on a Friday would mean arranging to finish work early. You make the necessary arrangements, only to find it's cancelled.

I was going to come along and had prepared Er-Indoors for a Friday night on her own - brownie points spent to no avail - it was cancelled. You can never fully recover the brownie points when the intent was there

I know it's good for Mark to know beforehand if he will cover his costs, but I can say from our experience that getting people to put their name down on a list for a standard club race is just p*****g in the wind. Many won't commit themselves so that they don't let people down. Others will make a last minute decision to attend etc.

[morpheus2010]

Mark has made a great effort to widen the range of racing in the North West putting in a considerable amount of time, effort and cost to get it off the ground.

If more people could support Mark and LDA by booking/racing at times proposed the numbers would get better and Mark would not have to cancel undersubscribed meetings.

Regarding the Tyres issue both venues at LDA are compressed course sand overlaid on clay. Best Boots for this type of surface is the same boots used on grass i.e. cut spikes. A stiff brush is good for cleaning.

Silly comments about horse S**t is unhelpful and misleading the arenas are maintained and cleaned by the Barton Equestrian Centre.

Hats off to Mark for making the effort to give others the opportunity and challenges. Help him to keep it going.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Nothing wrong with 'cheap' Andy

I am down at JC Racing Products tomorrow for a meeting and to pick up some stock of 1/8 scale stuff for PRCC on Sunday, so will see what level of stock John has of the Cut Spikes or can get before June 2. Fairly sure that they come in both medium and soft compounds. Will post back on here.

As previously mentioned, if you want more detail, go to JC website (www.jcracingproducts.co.uk) select products>JC Racing>Wheels>1/10 buggy offroad>5th item down "Cut Spike tyres.

I'm quite happy to bring stock of these up for Mark to sell on the day if people are interested.

As previous post, I have been down at JC Racing Products earlier today and they have stock holding of the Cut Spike front & rears, also 2wd front spikes if required.

If anyone is interested, please contact JC via their website or post on here and I will make sure that Mark has supply on the day trackside.

[gazhillAE]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Nothing wrong with 'cheap' Andy

I am down at JC Racing Products tomorrow for a meeting and to pick up some stock of 1/8 scale stuff for PRCC on Sunday, so will see what level of stock John has of the Cut Spikes or can get before June 2. Fairly sure that they come in both medium and soft compounds. Will post back on here.

As previously mentioned, if you want more detail, go to JC website (www.jcracingproducts.co.uk) select products>JC Racing>Wheels>1/10 buggy offroad>5th item down "Cut Spike tyres.

I'm quite happy to bring stock of these up for Mark to sell on the day if people are interested.

Are they off a tractor ?

[andy110m]

Well guys, the lack of support, smart horse shit comments and moaning over tyres has had an effect.

So you'll no longer need to worry about what tyres to use at LDA or even if you be attending the regional at LDA because Marks made the decision for you and decided enough is enough and shut the doors.

Thanks to all who have supported LDA in the past.

[burgie]

That is a shame.

I only went a few times over Christmas because if the holiday period. I am unable to get to the track in time on Friday evening because of work.

It's sad to read all the smart comments about tyres and the surface quality by people who have never been. Its even worse to read comments denying help around tyres etc., so as to not "loose" their "competitive edge"

[tinnylad]

He hasnt given it enough of a chance. With a regional round being secured and the Grand Prix event imminent, a potential of upto 100 drivers could have been coming through the doors. Could have secured the core members needed for the club. Everything gets canceled too easily, you going to have to fight to establish a new club in area full of strong clubs.

[andy110m]

Antony, I've got a bit of a problem with your last post.

Mark has made an effort to get a club going for nearly 12 months now if you include the efforts made at Croston.

He's been at LDA since December with a high venue cost. So remember in this Marks a self employed taxi driver and he's giving up the best night of the week for a cabby besides Saturday.

So this costs him around £200 per night per week. Add to this he's losing close to £100 per night on the venue because of the low numbers and multipy the weeks, about 10 for easy numbers. So thick end of £3k lost without considering he bought all the AMB timing gear, laptop, track markings etc. Lets put £2k in for that and your starting to see the effort he's put into this and why I'm pissed at people slating it all and moaning about daft stuff.

If you don't think that level of commitment is fighting please tell me what is?

And to address your comment that things get cancelled to quickly. Marks only started to do this recently because the turn outs were so poor, as has been said, lots of negative comments from people who've never attended a meeting. So to try to avoid some of the risk he posts up with plenty of notice of the event and justs ask for people to say if they're going to come or not, simple. People will know if they plan to race on Friday by Wednesday evening. Surely.

So it doesn't matter now, all who came said how good and different it was but those who didn't will never know.

[V6Jim]

So sad.

I loved that place! The big track, loose dirt, the berms!

So sad.

Jimmy

[tinnylad]

I have attended both venues andy. I'm not questioning the effort, just think pulling the plug 2 months into this venture with two big events confirmed on the horizon which could have made the club isn't giving it a fair chance. If he's had enough, fair enough. Im part of a team trying to grow a small club, things don't happen over night. I was looking forward to the regional round.

[Gavin Collingwood]

Well it's no more now so we don't have to argue. I think it would've been poorly attended anyway as a lot of people I talked to said it was very sandy and they had to replace loads of bearings after, so I for one don't mind it's off the regional calendar again.

[Chris Elworthy]

I didn't attend LDA simply as I did not like the attitude of the posts I read from the organisers of the club. There was very much a "why aren't you coming" and you are stupid that you're not vibe that put me off alltogether.
We all appriciate Mark has put in a lot of money and effort but you cannot magically generate a loyal core following so quickly, especially when you set up the original Croston club 10 miles from the North West's busiest off road club and choose to run on the same weekends. People had every right to ask what tyres work and if that question was asked on any other section on this forum you would receive a clear answer not a manipulative attempt to get more racers to club meets. Aside from this LDA took on the resposibility of confirming a regional round when far from secure as a club and now we find ourselves let down as you've bitten off more than you can chew too soon.

I'm sure that given time LDA could have been a great club but that's what you need, time. The impression was that the club expected too much too soon where the core has to build slowly over a number of years.
I have been involved with 5 different clubs over the years two of which were tried to be run as a money making venture and guess what? It didn't work and the people involved went missing leaving the club with the debts.

From what I've read the business model of Croston/LDA was doomed to faliure from day 1.

Chris

[gazhillAE]

I personally think this should be blocked now mods!
A, because I'm sick of reading it
B, because its dragging a good guys name through the mud!
C, people on here really need to get a life and stop sitting behind a computer screen talking utter shit and worrying about things that are out of there control.

Peace