ATTENTION UK TIRE MANUFACTUER’S

[bigred5765]

i see what your saying chris
but as the fronts we all got were clearly blue compound and not green
and i compared so called greens with my blues in my box they were identical
and thats just plain wrong

[DaveG28]

Guys, I am slightly confused as to what the exact problem was?

By which I mean:

Were there green dots on none green tires?
Were there no dots but packaging that said green?

A couple of other points:

If they marked blues/pinks green then there's a strong case against them (very difficult to prove though!), but if the green is just inconsistent its much more tricky, as who decides "reasonable" variation

Schu changing the mold is almost certainly not an admittence of fault by them, legally it doesn't prove the old tires were bad!


Having said that, I do totally agree with Tom's point (didn't know ballistic had team drivers though?) and that its the mabufacturers to get annoyed with if necessary, not the shops! Unfortunately for the shops, it's them people should be asking for there money back from if anyone though, as its them who people have a contract of purchase with!

The whole thing is very

[losixxx]

chris long, im not defending anyone, it didnt affect me as i didnt race as you know and never said it did, what i did do was correct someone who posted something that wasnt correct, ie shops don't pay for tyres straight away.

all i did chris was after someone started quoting trading standards was point out the FACT of how the tyres in question are advertised which if it came to any legal action would have HUGE outcome on the result....


i didnt once in any post on this thread defend or attack either the supplier or distributor in any way!???

[Cockerill]

As far as I am aware:

'Soft' Greens were sold in green labelled packs with green dots on.
'Hard' Greens were sold in green packs with no dots.

Now I would say that if it is a manufacturing fault then all tires would still be dotted.

BB is distributed by CML, CML have team drivers.

If there was no problem with current Schumacher tires they would not go to the expense of making a new mould. So to me that does confirm current tires have a problem.

The whole situation is not 'annoying' it's unacceptable. It also puts a downer on the whole national series unless the problem is sorted.

[Cockerill]

Does anyone think I have been out of order here by starting the thread or what I have said.

So far I have had only support and not one person comment that what I am saying is wrong/out of order.

By the way not only does it affect nationals, but also those doing regionals. The problem definitely won't be sorted for next weekends NE regional.

[Nick Goodall]

I remember years ago a batch of Schumacher Green's that came out a lot harder then they should have been but i don't think anything was done with it.....

Also last year i had a set of Green Ballistic rears and they were more like Blues, but that's going back almost a year now so is there a chance that the actual Manufacturer of the tyres may have changed the Green compound or something?

To anyone that doesn't race (incl Judges in Court, Manufacturer of tyres) they probably wouldn't believe it makes any sort of difference on an R/C Car as much as we all know it does so it would be a really hard thing to prove - Not every packet of Cheese and onion crisps will taste EXACTLY the same so that's probably the same arguement you'd come up against with Tyres......

[DaveG28]

Sorry Tom, with Schu I mean they can easily claim doesn't prove fault, I totally see what your saying but they could say its down to a process change etc

[Cockerill]

Ok, lets move up a level or two.

At an F1 race all but 1 or 2 two teams have 'option' tires that are harder than everyone else's. Do you think they will say oh well tough luck? Or create an uproar and expect compensation for tires and expenses, along with accusations of cheating, etc.

Originally Posted by DaveG28

Sorry Tom, with Schu I mean they can easily claim doesn't prove fault, I totally see what your saying but they could say its down to a process change etc

True, but I think everyone in Off-Road RC knows that this is not the case, maybe just do it as an incentive to keep the racers happy, seen as we have to run there tires to be competitive at nationals in the dry. I'm sure they've made enough money from racers over the years.

[Lee]

I see what your saying Nick, but a manufacture must work to certain tolerances, otherwise they could produce any old crap.

Its such a shame as tyres really are such an important item on the car

[bigred5765]

it might have been OK if both fronts and rears were the same stiffness/compound,
but all the rears we looked at were soft and a good 90% of the fronts hard,
there for unbalanced and making the car almost UN drivable at a competitive level,
as stated before Matty's car was a full 1/2 second a lap faster
with even greens front and back,
i still say the fronts at weekend weren't new hard green just wrongly bagged blue compound.

[Lee]

Did people pick this up on saturday in 2wd or was it just yesterday?

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by Lee

I see what your saying Nick, but a manufacture must work to certain tolerances, otherwise they could produce any old crap.

Its such a shame as tyres really are such an important item on the car

I do agree, but i'm just trying to see it from an outside point of view, to say they're a bit harder then normal probably is within these tolerances (legally speaking anyway) - It's a real pain in the backside as if a Tyre was to completely change over the winter and still be called the same it wouldn't have been picked anyway....

In F1 it obviously wouldn't be allowed, but we can't really compare this to F1 can we? Just think of the money involved for one thing.

[Cockerill]

The money is different but the situation would be the same. Just because we pay £7.50 a pair makes it alright?

The tires were not slightly harder they were as hard as blues.

[DCM]

Originally Posted by losixxx

shops don't pay for tyres straight away

thats incorrect, shops have various ways of getting stock, and things like tyres can be supplied in various ways, discounted and stuck with it or other ways.

[Wraggy]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

but the top guys were on proper greens, which are a lot softer.

Sorry Tom not true ...

[jimmy]

we bougth three pairs from the same shop, two were green and one was 'dodgy green' and noticably harder.

[bigred5765]

well i check 5-6 of the top drivers none had the green/blue compound fronts on

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by DCM

thats incorrect, shops have various ways of getting stock, and things like tyres can be supplied in various ways, discounted and stuck with it or other ways.

slight miss quote on what i said DCM

''what i did do was correct someone who posted something that wasnt correct, ie shops don't pay for tyres straight away.''

do anyone know what sort of payment option ALL the shops who supplied tyres to drivers at this national had, no!

There is a positive side to this weekend though.

Nobody got kneecapped by an aero front bumper

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by Wraggy

Sorry Tom not true ...

My post has been edited. Still doesn't make it right though.