Hope my fellow londoners are ok?

[styleone]

Its a very sad time for this country. Its been brewing for years, I teach in the youth education sector and the overall conduct of inner city youth has steadily got worse over the last 10 years. I spend hundreds of hours a month engaging inner city children and young adults in educational mentoring and I feel that the last few days terrible acts are the result of many many years of soft, overly liberal treatment of very serious crimes and ill behavior. Right wing views or left wing views...everybody will agree that the world will never accept such blatant disrespect for other humans property and well being. Shocking sights again on the news tonight only confirm that what ever views we all hold these days, our lovely and once proud country has slumped into a state of moral insanity. Lets enjoy our hobby and home lives as best we can and everybody stay safe.

[wreckers]

too true! when I was unruley in school jr & senior got caine,belt or wooden spoon in front of class an back chat or flinch doubles punishment then sent to stand in corner till period done, bad laugage chew on soap(wasn't nice at all) to top it off they rang parents so when get in more licks again, this is what needed again they'll learn respect for others an themselves.

[Rebelrc]

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SlowOne
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Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!!

I am not sure how to quote on my iPhone!

Nothing to do with right wing slow man
Do you work? Own property? Have scared relations? If you work you will be paying for this! Most of these we have been paying there benefits for years Everyone that pays somekind of insurance ,it's just gone up.
Innocent hard working people being terrorised and losing everything. Your a prick

[Rebelrc]

In fact slow head your post is really bad( disgusting) especially as some fellow racers live in these areas and are terrified about what's going on
As they have posted on here

And DCM i was not blaming cut backs for this situation
Just there lack of ability to police it! How's your cut backs now stupid government ! Get out!

[bodgit]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!!

What a smug bastard you come over as. Lets hope your home and car gets targeted see how right wing you get then, and see if you still keep smiling

[bodgit]

One irony of all this is that some of the shops which were looted could well have sold the hoodies used to disguise the scum who robbed them.

[kaszal]

Originally Posted by bodgit

What a smug bastard you come over as. Lets hope your home and car gets targeted see how right wing you get then, and see if you still keep smiling

"Smug" is the right word but I wouldn't wish it on anyone... erm, except the rioters I suppose. People are right to feel angry... and scared.

Looking at the TV, I just can't believe the scale of it.

[carpenterdean]

bring back the birch and spray em with vinegar little pricks

[SlowOne]

It's all so simple to you guys, and yet so well explained by Styleone and Wreckers. It matters not if I own property or work, what most of you are suggesting is both unrealistic and unworkable. Unless and until some effort is made to connect to these people, nothing is going to change. But no effort was made to connect to the kids of the 1920s, the Teddy Boys of the '60s, the Punks of the 70s and the unemployed youth of the '80s, and it's just the same now.

All I can do is smile at the rhetoric on here, because it has nothing to do with thinking of others who may be under threat, none of you mention concern for the innocents, all you want is revenge. Call me as you see my posts, but take a look at your own rage too - it's just as unlikeable as you label me.

One thing has come out of this which is to be applauded - RIM say they will allow the Police any access they request to the records of people they identify who have Blackberrys, so making it easier to place people in the area, and get their SMS, posts and tweets as evidence of their presence and involvement. Other service providers expected to follow suit when presented with the relevant court orders.

[Rebelrc]

Slow head !
It called justice and anger at what has been done
Piss off with your smugness people have died you tit cause some chav wants to get a free iPhone or nintendo. If not I'm just going to smash everything up and hurt people cause my mummy don't love me! That why we are angry but you know this and keep winding. smug tit

[Si Coe]

Precisely - at the end of the day WE are the ones who will have to foot the bill for all of this. Whether through taxes, insurance or increased prices - those that didn't loot themselves a new set of trainers and a widescreen TV are the ones who have to pay. Its not like you can fine those responsible cos they are all on benefits, so we already pay for them!

Worse still, the precedent has been set, its been shown how easy it is to do this. Here in Manchester, the video footage shows the 'rioters' were clearly organised with lookouts, ringleaders and flanking groups.

There were a lot of police out yesterday, and the shops shut early, but for how long? The smart trick is to wait a few weeks for things to die down, shops to go to normal time, police presence to reduce etc, then do it all again. Doing that there is literally no way to stop them under the current system.

[DavidAMS]

funny thing is that most places that got looted in london are the places that 'they' are likely to work in... so now they ruined the places that they would have probly worked in... pretty simple minded if you ask me..

the youth in the middle east rise up for basic freedom, the youth in london rise up for HD ready 42inch plasmas, what a bunch of monkeys

[pro4nut]

Originally Posted by DavidAMS

funny thing is that most places that got looted in london are the places that 'they' are likely to work in... so now they ruined the places that they would have probly worked in... pretty simple minded if you ask me..

the youth in the middle east rise up for basic freedom, the youth in london rise up for HD ready 42inch plasmas, what a bunch of monkeys

Please don't over simplify this. I have worked in many of the shops that were looted, and i literally mean shops that were looted not just for the same company.
I had to watch on TV as a shop in Hackney which i was responsible until very recently moving to work in the city, got broken into with the staff present inside. They were terrified and certainly not involved beyond that fact they locked themselves into the back of the shop crying there eyes out.

What do you mean by 'they'? Non of the staff i employed across a number of these business were involved they arrived to work the day after to start shifts as they wopuld have done any other day.

I also don't appreciate having my working choice devalued in such an off hand manner, those of us that work in retail are often treated poorly as it is. We work hard for little pay at times of day that many don't have to. We are subject to abuse and physical violence as part of our employment daily. I have myself been told not to phone the police, by the police themselves when people have commited crimanal damage on a premises i was responsible for as it takes up there time unnessarily.

If you have any dignity i would appreciate that you retract or clarify your point.

Wayne
East London resident

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by pro4nut

Please don't over simplify this. I have worked in many of the shops that were looted, and i literally mean shops that were looted not just for the same company.
I had to watch on TV as a shop in Hackney which i was responsible until very recently moving to work in the city, got broken into with the staff present inside. They were terrified and certainly not involved beyond that fact they locked themselves into the back of the shop crying there eyes out.

What do you mean by 'they'? Non of the staff i employed across a number of these business were involved they arrived to work the day after to start shifts as they wopuld have done any other day.

I also don't appreciate having my working choice devalued in such an off hand manner, those of us that work in retail are often treated poorly as it is. We work hard for little pay at times of day that many don't have to. We are subject to abuse and physical violence as part of our employment daily. I have myself been told not to phone the police, by the police themselves when people have commited crimanal damage on a premises i was responsible for as it takes up there time unnessarily.

If you have any dignity i would appreciate that you retract or clarify your point.

Wayne
East London resident

Oh, I can see Rebeirc calling out another smug tit here! Brave man , Wayne!

You make the same point I do - too many people with too little thought about what they type. I hope that the announcement today by various local councils and the Government about loans and compensation means you and your staff can get back into business quickly, and everyone recovers OK.

Son of one of my mates at work was mugged by people on the periphery of this violence. And Rebeirc's answer - more violence to take revenge dressed up as justice. Pillock.

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Precisely - at the end of the day WE are the ones who will have to foot the bill for all of this. Whether through taxes, insurance or increased prices - those that didn't loot themselves a new set of trainers and a widescreen TV are the ones who have to pay. Its not like you can fine those responsible cos they are all on benefits, so we already pay for them!

Worse still, the precedent has been set, its been shown how easy it is to do this. Here in Manchester, the video footage shows the 'rioters' were clearly organised with lookouts, ringleaders and flanking groups.

There were a lot of police out yesterday, and the shops shut early, but for how long? The smart trick is to wait a few weeks for things to die down, shops to go to normal time, police presence to reduce etc, then do it all again. Doing that there is literally no way to stop them under the current system.

Brilliant! So, the 11-year-old they've arrested, and the 19-year-old daughter of a millionaire were on benefits eh? And those at work, and... Some are on benefits, but not all. All are lawless with no regard for society's norms or values.

[Si Coe]

Those with money can pay fines, and should be fined. The problem is those that are on benefits literally can't pay for the damage they have done.

As for the backgrounds of those involved - truth is after the first night it was all a case of 'me too' anyway.

[Rebelrc]

Are you on drugs slowman?
When have I promoted more violence? You proper idiot!
Read all my posts ! Unedited
Then apologise!
All I said was how disgusting this has been and how stupid the police cutbacks done by our government . Never mentioned revenge at all cluedo! Many people say on here shoot em etc and yet you pick on me.
Called you a smug tit, after your first post. Why do I need to be a brave man?as you say in your last post. That sounds like a threat of violence to me!
I've posted your ofending post below

[Rebelrc]

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2 Days Ago
SlowOne
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Oh dear, nothing like a little lawlessness to bring out the right wingers with all the answers! It's fun watching you all vent your spleens! I wish I was so certain about these things. Looking forward to more ravings of the keyboard jockeys, it brings a smile to my face in these uncertain times!!

Said by you!