How is the Vintage 1/10th off road scene?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Sorry guys but the Lazer ZX was released in 1988 or 89, as I ..........

OK, game on then -

[WHITTLER555]

The ZXR I have looks more like my ZX I had back in the 80's, in fact the only thing it has got is a ZXR body! Apart from that it just looks like a long wheel base MID. ERM with a full graphite saddle pack chassis.

I think it has ball diffs??

I will put it in front of the Vintage scrutineers and see what they say!??

[Stu]

You mean Jim?

[super__dan]

http://www.darrynsretrorc.rtox.com/k...s/zxrlazer.htm This is the ZXR and you can see it's 92. I started in 90 and remember this having the most hype at our club ever, it was a good car.

If you get a chance look at the kits this guy has, he's a freaking nutter (in a good way).

[WHITTLER555]

I will buy a Procat then.

[Northy]

Originally Posted by WHITTLER555

I will buy a Procat then.

I think that may also be borderline

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[Welshy40]

the ZXR was later but you can convert to ZX format easily. The gear diffs can still be bought, the ZX bodyshell is still being sold

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kyosho-Lazer-Z...QQcmdZViewItem

The top deck and chassis doesnt really make a difference as the parts were available in 89. I think the ball diffs were as well.

The difference is so small between the zx and zxr (diffs, wheels and top deck), so nothing much to judge. The drivetrain is the same as the internal gearbox gears and belts havent changed at all.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by WHITTLER555

The ZXR I have looks more like my ZX I had back in the 80's, in fact the only thing it has got is a ZXR body! Apart from that it just looks like a long wheel base MID. ERM with a full graphite saddle pack chassis.

I think it has ball diffs??

I will put it in front of the Vintage scrutineers and see what they say!??

Well if I was scrutineering I would ban it

The Lazer ZX was introduced in December 1989, which makes it VERY borderline, and is a very different beast to the ZX-R. To classify as a ZX it must have gear diffs, a split two piece top deck (so the chassis is really flexible without the centre plastic spine), the centre ball diff (no slipper!), alloy plate shock mounts and short front shocks and with 2 inch Optima Mid wheels. All the chassis plates were grp, not carbon. You could try saying it's a ZX with hop ups but as none of the hop ups (or the one piece top deck) were available until well into the 90s I would say none of them should be allowed.

BTW the Procat was also released late 1989, September I think, so again is marginal but more likely to be allowed as all the ZXS's had the Cougar rear suspension (as used on the Procat) grafted onto them long before then. It was also an evolution of an 80's chassis, rather than the Lazer ZX being the first release of a 90's chassis.

Another alternative is the Yokomo Super Dogfighter, released in 1988 it won the 1989 nationals and dominated the 89 Worlds. You would really need to know what you are looking at to make sure it's a Super Dogfighter and not a Works '91 though.

[Stu]

Blimey - complex stuff that.

Good job it's me that is the 'scrutaineer', or else it could go on all night.

[terry.sc]

Well it should be fairly easy to sort out beforehand, it's easy to come up with a list of what's allowed.

Being a bit pedantic, only RC10s with the original 6 gear gearbox should be allowed as the Stealth gearbox didn't appear until April 1990. I can see that going down well in 2wd, at least it would give other 2wds a fighting chance.


Another suggestion if someone is feeling very wealthy, the Tamiya Egress. It'll cost you a fortune every time the front uprights just look at something solid

[Welshy40]

[quote=terry.sc;42741]Well if I was scrutineering I would ban it

The Lazer ZX was introduced in December 1989, which makes it VERY borderline, and is a very different beast to the ZX-R. To classify as a ZX it must have gear diffs, a split two piece top deck (so the chassis is really flexible without the centre plastic spine), the centre ball diff (no slipper!), alloy plate shock mounts and short front shocks and with 2 inch Optima Mid wheels. All the chassis plates were grp, not carbon. You could try saying it's a ZX with hop ups but as none of the hop ups (or the one piece top deck) were available until well into the 90s I would say none of them should be allowed.


I think you have made a little mistake. The centre diff was complex yes but was also a slipper, and a one way and much better than the hyperclutch when that came out in the late 90's. It could be set to 50/50 or 60/40 so the choice was there for many options. It has a slipper system and you could use with or without the balls in the spur. i know as I ran with this system for six years and my results speak for themselves. Also the ball diffs were available in 89 but the gear diffs were better indoors than the ball diffs, so not a problem using them or getting the parts as they are still available

Also the top deck in CF was available in 89 as well as the chassis as i had one. The two piece was ok as it kept the belt loose, which made the car more efficient and quicker.

The shock towers were also in a grp form and were also available from japan in CF as well as they were being used around 89/90.

But yes the wheels were small but that should not make a problem with 2.2 wheels as there are no tires to fit the zx wheels anymore, and lets be honest here not many peole are very good at cut and shuts.

I guess you guys say vintage to mean cars that are no longer competitive, whereas the zx was and still is a competitive car. Vintage was said to be in the 80's and this car was in the end of the 80's so is a valid car but im guessing the rules are being made up as we go along.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Stu

The Laser is definately reto, but not really vintage.

The only car that I was willing to really 'bend' the rules for last year was the Mardave Cobra. Allthought circa 1992/3 it was well out of date before it was even designed.

Stu I forgot about this, at the indoor champs in 93/94 Kristien Wiles knocked Craig Harris out of the A final with a Mardave Cobra and finished fourth or fifith I believe. So in the right hands is a very capable car on carpet as well as grass where he also beat harris several times with it. Pretty good car.

[Stu]

Hmmm, yeah. There was a chap raced a Cobra in the NW regionals untill only a few years back. It was ballraced, some home made parts and Losi Shocks (or EA, can't remember exactly). He was a medium ability driver, he regularly put it in regional B finals.

Maybe with enough interest we could run two classes;

Vintage - Pre-1990
Retro - Pre-1995

Ideas?

[AndyF]

As an outside observer, I would make everybody produce their original purchase receipt dated pre-1990 !

Failing that. Box standard kits (no upgrades) with a release date pre 1990 and perhaps a seperate class pre 1985 (at a guess) for the likes of the Hornet and Hotshot etc. Could race togeather but have two classifications.

I would be interested in a race or too with my old procat. I'm a bit worried that you guys consider a guy who gets into reginal B finals as a middle ability driver! Maybe u could also have a handicap system for vintage racers who haven't actually raced since 1990 either

[Stu]

Originally Posted by AndyF

......... I'm a bit worried that you guys consider a guy who gets into reginal B finals as a middle ability driver!........

That's middle as in half way between a national 'A' driver and a low end club driver.

Sorry, I wan't suggesting that someone who does regional 'C' finals is a spoon, or even a spork.

[HKP]

I think screw all you guys with your faux vintage cars... Bring on the mighty Marui Ninja!!

Although I reckon the plastics on mine are now so brittle it might break a wishbone if a marshall sneezes!!!

[AndyF]

Originally Posted by tomstacey

I think screw all you guys with your faux vintage cars... Bring on the mighty Marui Ninja!!

Although I reckon the plastics on mine are now so brittle it might break a wishbone if a marshall sneezes!!!

I remember wanting one of those Ninjas badly, but the local model shop told me i would be better with an Optima. Thank goodness for Otley Model Sport (Do they still exist? Will have to google them)

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by AndyF

Thank goodness for Otley Model Sport (Do they still exist? )

Try looking here http://www.modelsport.co.uk They are a bit bigger than you remember them.

[WHITTLER555]

I love causing controvesy!

[AndyF]

Does anybody know if you can still get the little rubber bands that hold the wing onto a Procat? I'm also going to need the rubber bands that hold the crash back system in place.