New Jumps at Bury Metro

[woOdy]

See, the thing is we wanted something that would only be done by a selected few. The option is there so if you cant do it then go slower and take them singly. If you beach out then you are going too slow. I have built them to test drivers not to make it easy like the big jump on the left now( TOO EASY ).

[woOdy]

O and yes, maybe its a nice idea that I may of built them so home drivers have an advantage. In other words practice more. If you go a little wider on the corner before the first bump and hit it striaght you can do it everytime. Ask Chris Long.

[RobHatcliffe]

The triples are do-able in a number of ways. I wasn't there today to see who struggled or who mastered them, but based on the previous 2 meetings, I've seen a couple of different approaches work:-

1) Roll the first one and then double the second two. Woody, Danny McGee, Stu Mahon, Northy and others seemed to make this work lap after lap.

2) Roll the first one, and slowly up to each the second two, a little blip on the throttle to lift the front wheels and you're laughing. Not as quick as option 1 but still achieves a clean pass.

No-one has commented on the new 'off-set' double on the right hand side. Did you use it today? What do people think?

[PaulRotheram]

the offset double worked well, they need singleing of course, they are different which is good.

The main problem today, was the complete lack of grip for the triples, along with the shape of each hump being very triangular made it more of an obsticle to get it right. in practise and the first round when it was dry, they were good.. but when the track became wet, they were hit and miss (my bj4 with a 9x2 struggled to get over on some occurences !)

Both ways you suggested were tried, in fact with the amount of track time everyone had today they should of been done perfectly, but basically everyone struggled with them. a nice handful of f1 and f2 drivers were in attendance, if these people struggle with it, then the rest surely would id imagine.

a more rounded profile would work well I think, as then the cars will have more momentum for the next jump. or even if the first hump was made bigger and rounder, so the second two can be jumped.

Its all good having home advantage, I know of this being a southport regular, but if it is causing problems for the majority of racers, then surely itd be better to please more people who will then praise the track, rarther than have a few people happy, and more complaints.

I'm only thinking/commenting.. please dont take this as me slagging the section off. it worked well, but it could be improoved if wanted to.

If they are kept, then fair doos as most people will be in the same boat besides a few home f1 drivers.

[WHITTLER555]

Paul, your explanation of what happened today is spot on.

The grip certainly disappeared as soon as it rained, which made judging the jumps a lot more difficult.

Roger actually commented to me on the lack of grip and we put it down to the levels of sand and new astro on the track.

I could only get one type of rear tyre to grip and unfortunately it won't be allowed at the National.

I am sure it will be sunny in June!

[bigred5765]

no one is trying to upset anyone, just saying that the way they have been constructed will lead to more damage being done to cars,they are just a little to steep and harsh,were trying to put in some input to help further the club and the track.last thing needed is people not turning up for fear of damaging the car, even if you just slightly get it wrong as is it bites the car and spits it out, in bits.
we love bury,and are regulars so understand your position, and appreciate the time and effort,you guys put in,and in all fairness it isn't that for of being perfect,its only the triples causing problems, love the rest

[Stu]

I had no problem with them, but it was dry all the time I was there. I did try doing them as singles and found that when I did that I could take the first of the three faster as I was not trying to get a perfect run to the second. The car also exited the section perfectly under control, meaning a good line through the next section every time.

It's obviously not gonna get you in the 'A' an the national, but if you go for gold each time when you can't do it it you are going to be in the 'Z' anyway.

A feature that is too dificult is only one with no 'get-out' option (for this reason the toning down of the double at the back of the track was a good thing), this is different.

[bbq]

Originally Posted by pidge

gimme somewhere to stay and i will!

remeber wtaching a video of this and i love it!

Any time no problem =)
I can fix the staying problem to =)

[Oscar]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

sorry if it seems like a bit of a rant but, it really needs working on badly

No Doubt you'll be volunteering for the next work party then Carl

[Richard Lowe]

The tabletop at the far left near the banked bricks is now ace, plenty of airtime and a nice proper downramp to land on. The right hand side is still a bit iffy as it's not quite level and can throw you sideways in the air, but the landing seems really forgiving of that and you can get away with it most of the time.

The triples on the other hand...

Originally Posted by woOdy

See, the thing is we wanted something that would only be done by a selected few. The option is there so if you cant do it then go slower and take them singly. If you beach out then you are going too slow. I have built them to test drivers not to make it easy like the big jump on the left now( TOO EASY ).

Thats all well and good but the thing is they can't be taken slowly, you just fall over forward onto your roof. My BJ4 had no trouble getting over them as it easily had enough drive to clear the second jump and being 4wd hit them straight every time. 2wd though in the damp conditions was a complete joke for everyone, there isnt enough run up to clear them in lower grip conditions and if you are a bit enthusiastic with the throttle and hit them even slightly sideways all sorts of random things happen. For anyone that hasnt been the second and third bump on the triple are much steeper and more aggressive than the tabletop at Batley, with what feels like 5 feet run up from the first bump.
I think all that needs doing it to smooth them out a bit and make the second jump slightly bigger and more like a jump, and less like a slightly angled wall

Also the hump that has been added going onto the banking needs looking at/removing too, it doesnt really add anything to the track and seems to kick the back end up quite badly on 2wd's. Again my BJ4 went over it no problem but only because I was able to pull the nose up better in the air with 4wd.

As Paul said the angled jumps in the middle are very different, they are as aggressive as the triples but if we take the same route through them as we did yesterday they will be fine. Finding a quick line through them will be a challenge

Please don't think I'm having a moan Woody, just trying to help

[bigred5765]

as we all are
i take it then you'll be there Oscar, so i can oversee what your doing lmao

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

............. the thing is they can't be taken slowly, you just fall over forward onto your roof..........

Richard, come and see me at Kiddy, I'll give you a materclass in being slow, I can do that with great success.

Maybe I had no problems due to running the X6. It seems not to kick the rear over the top, no doubt due to the weight distrbution.

G was fine with that flat-contraption he has, maybe for the same reason.

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by Stu

Richard, come and see me at Kiddy, I'll give you a materclass in being slow, I can do that with great success.

Hehe

I was running my mid motor B4 thingy for much of the day, everyone in 2wd seemed to have the same problems though

[woOdy]

Me and Dad have been down and tried to do to the jumps what you all asked. We have smoothed them off but they still cant be done in the wet(even me). They are not ment to be done in the wet. Regards nose diving, this is because you still need to blip the throttle to pick the nose up.
If you are still not happy we can always race on flat grass and have no jumps so every body can go round easily.

[Lee]

Woody can we fit big bodyshells with wheel arches and make up silly rules about tinting windows too?

[rich_cree]

Originally Posted by woOdy

If you are still not happy we can always race on flat grass and have no jumps so every body can go round easily.

Well said dude!!!!!

If you can't do it and others can, then you need to improve some I guess.

[PaulRotheram]

thats not what everyone is saying.. what is being said is it is more of an obsticle with hit or miss chances of clearing it in the wet.

If it was only a select few, then it could be left.. but near everyone at the meeting yesterday struggled lap by lap.
It's good to see the comments are being taken in to consideration though, high five for trying to improove them stu!

sexy timeee.

[Northy]

I've kept out of this and still will, but what I always like to see is a nice consistant "raceable" feature, because, thats what we are doing after all.

The thing is Stu, if people don't like it, they will still turn up to the regionals and nationals because they have to, but unfortunatly it will be the club meetings that will suffer.

G

[Chrislong]

At the end of the day, we're all entitled to our own opinion and we all need to acknowledge that we can't all be satisfied at once.

At Bury, the new features seemed to be disliked by the majority, but if we make features liked by the majority then those features would just be carbon copies of what has already beed done and thats boring. What we have now is something that is different, and so takes some learning to do it.

In the wet we all seemed to struggle with 2wd to clear the double, but we were all using Yellow Minispikes which were completely mullered. Even in the wet I was managing to do it with the X-6 (maximum effort and 80% success) but when the 'big' day comes I'll have the right tires and new ones at that - so will probably be a lot easier..... and if it isn't easier, then we'll all just have to ride it - we'll all do whichever way is fastest over 5 minutes.

The reason why the jumps are a little triangular, is because triangular makes the jump consistent accross the width. Sculpting a rounded jump is a lot more difficult to make consistent accross the width.

Personally, before the new feature I found Bury quite easy to drive fast, but the new features changes that and previously when Sunday comes and I am pondering over which club meeting to attend, I would have previously gone to Southport since I feel I struggle there but now I think "Need to go to Bury" and so it keeps me regular.

Chris

[Stu]

Originally Posted by PaulRotheram

sexy timeee.

I think we should all join in asking Paul to never again end a post with "sexy timee"

It's just out of order, I've just had my tea, I don't want to be thinking about Paul having such a thing.

Thanks.