Lazer ZX-S

[pUs]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

You actually found someone willing to pay that amount.

Err..doesn't it always work like that? Might be time to consider that most countries operate in a market economy environment..

Well good on you, I still cant believe any one would pay that, still they did and you have now made some money so well done.

I already told you - the car is highly sought after by some people. Not just collectors, but by people who knew it was rare already back in 1996-1997 and even more rare at this time. For christ's sake, it was listed at Tower hobbies at something like 650 USD for a long time. What's so hard to understand? Kyosho never even seemed interested in selling it in any volumes. If they would have been, they certainly wouldn't have shipped it with Losi shocks. I can think of more cost-effective ways, for instance use their own stuff..

You must remember I race these, and they are not going to be very rare soon as you can now almost make one yourself for no more than £350.00.

A replica is a replica and as such is not worth much, correct.

All carbon fibre parts are readily available from Fibre-lyte and the plastic bits will sooner or later be made, plus the drive train items with exception of the belts which shouldnt be too hard to source. Soon these things wont be worth that much.

Totally irrelevant. His car was not a mix and match by repro parts or newly created parts - simply a piece of Kyosho history, intact and unbuilt. They are rare.

Sorry but thats a fact.

Judging from the outcome of the auction, it's obviously not a fact at all.

But I am gob smacked that someone paid that for just a standard ZXS which is not as rare as the ZX-S Evo.

Not many people are collecting these cars. But I'd dare say you're in a minority compared to the amount of people collecting the ZX-S family, as opposed to racing them..

I thought my car was rare so wonder how much I would get for mine, and I originally thought £500 was a good price, maybe I should go for £2500.

Well, try it. Somebody tried selling a ZXS Evo for something close to that amount recently (can't remember the exact figure). Of course, no bids on that one..

[BORMAC]

LOL! What an interesting thread. I think things have come off a bit raw with regards to poor Welshy's appraisal and Welshy has copped a bit of a hard time for this.
I have another point of view and this doesn't just go for the ZX-S nib kits either. More so- what did this ZX-S cost the seller? Its funny how he made $1000 bucks off it from ebay but did he go back to the collector guy he bought it from and offer him a farer market value or did he infact make a killing?? I wonder?
Its interesting how Welshy was put in the firing line for a price that wasn't as high as what it went for. Even if Welshy had offered this guy well under what it was worth and Welshy could have walked away with a great deal, whats the diference between this and the previous transaction in which this kit was obtained?
My point. Simple, its funny how people masquarade as collectors or enthusiast then the next minute they are out flogging a kit the seller said he'd like to hold on to.
So what profit was made on this kit anyways? Dare to share

[Dyna]

I agree - an interesting thread

I also agree that James is possibly getting cast in a slightly bad light here ? I've had the pleasure of meeting James, and i can say that a) he's a very nice bloke in person and does know a hell of a lot about Lazers and buggies in general and b) he really is a better driver than most of us reading this will ever be, myself included

Whether Tjompa wants to keep his kits or sell them for a profit is entirely up to him though, and good luck to him if he can find people to buy stuff at higher prices

The only thing im slightly confused about is that Tjompa said he knows where to find just about all the genuine parts to actually build a new ZXS and he dosent want to tell anyone else ? I would love to have the opportunity to try to build one as im sure others would - and surely helping a hobbyshop owner to sell more parts in these tough times and also help other enthusiasts try to fufil an ambition is a good thing ?

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by pUs

Well, try it. Somebody tried selling a ZXS Evo for something close to that amount recently (can't remember the exact figure). Of course, no bids on that one..

Well I may sell my unused prototype Evo thats just built and sitting in a box unused. I dont need to use it as spares so may put it up for auction, and wonder how many of this were made, 10 maybe so may be worth trying for a lot more, if I can be bothered to that is to stick it on Ebay.

[pUs]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Well I may sell my unused prototype Evo thats just built and sitting in a box unused. I dont need to use it as spares so may put it up for auction, and wonder how many of this were made, 10 maybe so may be worth trying for a lot more, if I can be bothered to that is to stick it on Ebay.

Prototype, in what way? As far as I know, the ZX-S Evo was on a limited production run but distributed & sold normally in Japan to any shop who specifically ordered the car. A bit like the original ZX-S. Nothing secret about the evo either, the manual was available for downloading just like any regular Kyosho car, and it was on their japanese web site as well (although well hidden for us europeans). Does your Evo pre-date this car, or what?

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by pUs

Prototype, in what way? As far as I know, the ZX-S Evo was on a limited production run but distributed & sold normally in Japan to any shop who specifically ordered the car. A bit like the original ZX-S. Nothing secret about the evo either, the manual was available for downloading just like any regular Kyosho car, and it was on their japanese web site as well (although well hidden for us europeans). Does your Evo pre-date this car, or what?

Prototype meaning exactly that. Funny thing is this was being developed before the zxs one piece chassis buggy was sold on the japanese market, and yes the evo was marketed differently and sold to a different spec. I have two protos one i still race and one for backup which is built just collecting dust which may get sold in the future but would be interested to find out how much i could get for it. Comes with the original manual which are a4 printed and with a few clay setups typed up. The box got used and abused over the years for tires and is in box heaven.

[pUs]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Prototype meaning exactly that. Funny thing is this was being developed before the zxs one piece chassis buggy was sold on the japanese market, and yes the evo was marketed differently and sold to a different spec. I have two protos one i still race and one for backup which is built just collecting dust which may get sold in the future but would be interested to find out how much i could get for it. Comes with the original manual which are a4 printed and with a few clay setups typed up. The box got used and abused over the years for tires and is in box heaven.

Ok, didn't even know such a Lazer existed. Is it one of the cars that were prepared for the 1995 Worlds in Japan, or was it even before that?

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by pUs

Ok, didn't even know such a Lazer existed. Is it one of the cars that were prepared for the 1995 Worlds in Japan, or was it even before that?

I know development happened before the 93 worlds, and am unsure what exactly Joel had under his modified mid shell. I did have his car in my hands but cant remember as I wasnt really paying much attention to the car at the time. I did know that Bob Gammon and a few of the drivers were messing around with ideas that were very similar to the ZXS open gearbox on the ZXR in 91/92.

I know they made the 95 worlds in Japan with two buggies and one was a one piece chassis and I believe the other was a three piece. Some drivers prefered the one piece as the balance was different compared to the three piece. The two I have are from late 94 early 95, before the 96 selling date.

The three piece won the Japanese nats and beating Masami for the title not long after he won the worlds if thats any help. I cant say if it was 94 or 96 as I lost a lot of my stuff on my HD recently. Hope this helps

[HKP]

Originally Posted by kek23k

Any pics?

Gosh, yes, somewhere.. I believe they were on RC10Talk.. I'll have a poke about and find a linky.

[HKP]

One pic I have on my HD of the ZXS (three piece chassis car)

[FERRETTI]

Originally Posted by HKP

Gosh, yes, somewhere.. I believe they were on RC10Talk.. I'll have a poke about and find a linky.

Is this the same model?

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_m...59677&id=18675

[purpletimbo]

I believe that is scoobster on here, was a different one that he got hold of, seem to recall it was NIB wrapped from USA on a buy it now on ebay.
tom's pics have all vanished

[Welshy40]

The three piece chassos design also has different front and rear hubs, and different ujs as well as shocks. These items all eventually ended up on the zx5. Also worth mentioning that hkp has prototype shocks on his work of art.

[Tjompa]

Originally Posted by BORMAC

LOL! What an interesting thread. I think things have come off a bit raw with regards to poor Welshy's appraisal and Welshy has copped a bit of a hard time for this.
I have another point of view and this doesn't just go for the ZX-S nib kits either. More so- what did this ZX-S cost the seller? Its funny how he made $1000 bucks off it from ebay but did he go back to the collector guy he bought it from and offer him a farer market value or did he infact make a killing?? I wonder?
Its interesting how Welshy was put in the firing line for a price that wasn't as high as what it went for. Even if Welshy had offered this guy well under what it was worth and Welshy could have walked away with a great deal, whats the diference between this and the previous transaction in which this kit was obtained?
My point. Simple, its funny how people masquarade as collectors or enthusiast then the next minute they are out flogging a kit the seller said he'd like to hold on to.
So what profit was made on this kit anyways? Dare to share

Well Bormac, dare to share...
You are presuming things here, i dont like that.
I can say that the seller was very informed about the price of theese kits, he had full control and he bought it for a pretty high price himself a while ago.
I am a gentleman and a true gentleman dont discuss money, but i can say far less than you think.
In this case i bought a car that is rare and i liked to keep, but by some reason i needed to sell.

And the silly stuff:
A true collector or enthusiast also sell stuff, i have done some great deals (and more not so great) thru the years, some scorchers and other classic cars, bought cheap and sell on ebay, well am i doing something wrong? I can also say that my salary dont finance everything i want so if i find a car i can sell with profit it´s up to me, but often i spend it on my racecars, so dont tell me that i´m not an enthusiast.

[BORMAC]

Tjompa,
My point was that it seemed Welshy was copping flack for giving you an aprasal on what he thought this kit was worth and even if it had been an offer it was what he was willing to pay. Its realy very silly to get on any forum and ask what something is worth. When a person does this its transparant to say the least that a kit/car has been bought with intentions of selling.
These forums arent a true indication of what something is worth anyway. We've all been around long enough to know that. The only way to know is to set it amongst the market in which you finaly did. So much for wanting to keep such a rare kit as you had innitialy said.
Now dont take this the wrong way but it seems Welshy had given you his aprasal and it looked like you were insulted. My point being with all this was I wonder what you paid for the kit from the guy who sold it to you? Not game to share? Why not? Something to hide maybe? The whole point being that Im sure you made a killing when you sold it and like many other would be 'entrepruners' out there im sure you wanted to pay as little yourself when you bought this kit from the innitial seller. Is it so wrong for others to make offers of much the same nature?
Its funny when the shoe is on the other foot. While some people pose as racers or collectors there will always be those of us who are here to make a quick buck and thats ok if you are honest about it. Wether you are this person or not I think people should be aware of this when trades are transpiring. Im sure we all do it for our own reasons.
So dare to share with the rest of your friends where this stash of ZX-S spares are or are you going to keep this to yourself also to make more $$$ I wonder?

[pUs]

Originally Posted by BORMAC

Now dont take this the wrong way but it seems Welshy had given you his aprasal and it looked like you were insulted.

I know tjompa can speak for himself, but I personally just reacted to the ridiculously low figure stated by Welshy. If you know one tiny bit of Kyosho history and know what's actually available out there, you know it's not worth that little. I'd dare say that's not even an opinion but a fact.

And of course, the outcome of the auction quite clearly supports that. After having sold the car for 5 times the amount Welshy thought it was worth, then I'd say it wasn't that far-fetched to ask what that was all about.

There's just no need for exaggerations whatever the reasons, especially not when you know better.

[Welshy40]

Well my single piece was sold to me for 95 inc p&p and another three piece new for £250 inc p&p which has been dismantled for spares. The price was not false and very accurate hence why i stated it. Hkp can vouch for this if you dont believe me. Also if that shop actually has stock of those spares great but i do know that all shops are given a list that kyosho can supply however they are not very accurate and are not in stock. Dont get me wrong as if they actually have then great but dont know why a shop would buy spares for a buggy that wasnt sold in that country. Not cost effective for a business to do that. Also Japan have none as i was sent what they had in their stores ages ago. Maybe ten front belts left and thats that.

[Welshy40]

I forgot to show this picture. As you can see this was before the plug got pulled on the ZX-S. Still was interesting.

[pedro72]

Hey Lads, Does anyone have any idea where i can get front and rear belts for a zxs, i have zxr ones if anyone wants to swap?
cheers,
Peter

[Welshy40]

No kyosho warehouse in the world has the in stock. A lot of kyosho distributors have on their lists of spares but in reality there are none. Sorry and unfortunately i cant afford to part with any of mine.