Why are people such *%*^ers these days?

[telboy]

The worst thing we ever did was spit on the pavement!...and we'd get bollocked for doing that by some old codger if we were caught!

Police do shit all. One of my relatives was killed a couple of year back after some knob was causing trouble. The police were watching him but 'couldn't do anything until he caused actual damage', so after winding the police up through ranting and raving, telling them to arrest him (in a cocky manor), he then walked round the corner and thumped the first person he met....which was my relative, he then fell and hit his head on the kerb....end of story.

If the police had the power to just sort him out when he was pratting about, it wouldn't have happened.

But as many have said. Discipline at an early age is no longer there.
If we messed around at school, we had the blackboard rubber thrown at our heads!

Our neighbour told us the other day that some Chav was having a good old stare though my car window at the stereo, so I sat up untill about 3 waiting for something to happen, cos if it did, I was going to go out and 'greet him'. I had one knicked before and it wasn't the cost of the stereo that was the problem, as it was only a basic ford one. but it was the cost of replacing the door skin after they ripped the lock out to get in...about £300, for £50 stereo.

They need to bring punishment and public floggin back!

[mobile chicane]

Originally Posted by Lee

Sorry to hear that James, it sounds like different areas bring different problems. If i was in the house when someone broke in i would have great pleasure in "defending" myself and family. But there is a flip side to this, if you do something to someone, you never know what is going to come back on your door which is the worrying thing when you have small children.

I dont have any children so if someone breaks in to my gaff its a whack over the head for them from the baseball bat next to my bed then strip em naked tie them up into the back of the van 2 hours to the welsh mountains and drop them off near the only pub in a VERY LOCAL village.

we always go out away from the house on haloween leaving the letterbox taped up and a no trick or treat sign on the window.


has to be said though kids around here never give us any grief .

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by niggs98

they must know you stan

joking aside the authorities really need to change the law and sort these little feckers out. can u imagine what the country is gonna be like when one of these little darlings of society gets into power. i will emigrate very quickly

There's no need to change the Law, just to enforce it. not enough coppers, too many Laws - more coppers would balance it up!

Originally Posted by Nige55

I really didn't want to read this thread, it just highlights the messed up state of affairs that I didn't want to move back to. I do want to move back, but it really saddens me how things are now. My parents live in a cottage, a few years ago local evil kids decided to set fire to the animals surrounding their neighbours cottage (goats, chickens etc). They all burned alive. Made me wanna get the next flight back and rip these' kids heads off, and I ain't a violent person ! What I want to ask is (this is a REALLY important question for my piece of mind), - what can we do to deter these twats legally ? - without physical contact ? (with more and more knives around). Is it illegal to threaten them with a can of deodorant and a lighter ? They are not illegal after all. Sorry for my naive question, I've been away a long time and I don't know the 'rules' these days.

IF you want to deter them in the short term, regularly ringing the Police every time something happens, and then writing to the Chief Constable and the local paper if it doesn't usually gets a response. Most of all, in the long term, make sure you vote. Vote for anyone, it doesn't matter who. Tell every canvasser at every Election that you will only be voting for someone who quadruples the Police Constables on the beat.

The real problem is that people don't vote. If everyone who didn't vote voted for the same party, they would be the Government. This Government was elected on 36% of the 63% of people who voted - feck all! I'll get the usual "they're all a bunch of tossers, don't bother voting" replies, but whatever they are they spend our taxes. If you want your taxes spent differently, for God's sake get out and vote.

Originally Posted by Tom3012

I'm only 18 but I do know where your all coming from! I hate what these 'people' do, it gives all people of my age, and there abouts, a really bad reputation. The looks I get sometimes of some people is almost, upsetting? Just because I'm young they tarnish us all with the same brush. To be totally honest, I can't wait to be older!

Well said! It is good to remember that 19m of the 60m of us are aged from 5 to 29, and we are talking about a handful. Despite that fact that not enough are caught, for 60m people there are only 80,000 in jail. Crime isn't nice, the people who do it are ***%&^O(£)£s, but overall, there's more good than bad.

Originally Posted by telboy

The worst thing we ever did was spit on the pavement!...and we'd get bollocked for doing that by some old codger if we were caught!

Police do shit all. One of my relatives was killed a couple of year back after some knob was causing trouble. The police were watching him but 'couldn't do anything until he caused actual damage', so after winding the police up through ranting and raving, telling them to arrest him (in a cocky manor), he then walked round the corner and thumped the first person he met....which was my relative, he then fell and hit his head on the kerb....end of story.

If the police had the power to just sort him out when he was pratting about, it wouldn't have happened.

But as many have said. Discipline at an early age is no longer there.
If we messed around at school, we had the blackboard rubber thrown at our heads!

Our neighbour told us the other day that some Chav was having a good old stare though my car window at the stereo, so I sat up untill about 3 waiting for something to happen, cos if it did, I was going to go out and 'greet him'. I had one knicked before and it wasn't the cost of the stereo that was the problem, as it was only a basic ford one. but it was the cost of replacing the door skin after they ripped the lock out to get in...about £300, for £50 stereo.

They need to bring punishment and public floggin back!

I hope that if a copper did any of that to your child, even if it was by mistake, you'd not sue. They stand back because there is another type of a******e - the one's who will sue at the drop of a hat if they think there is the slightest possibility that they can screw us (our taxes pay the compensation) over for a big payout. IMHO, these people are as bad as the scum who nicked my daughter's bike. Take responsibility, not legal action.

[Alfonzo]

I'm liking what I'm hearing Mr SlowOne sir! Wise words.

There's always been agro in society, but I do get the feeling things have taken a turn for the worse of late. Not sure if it's purely a British thing - but I have sad feeling it mostly is .

I feel very sad for those in their teens and early twenties who get tarred with the same brush. It only takes a small minority of tw*ts to ruin things.

[josh_smaxx]

I agree with all this, it makes me sick to be part of this generation, but to be honest i find its more the 12-15 age braket thats the worst in schools.

Me and about 30 others would be stood in one part of school minding our own business having lunch, socialising ect when a good 50 or so 13 year olds would line up 20 yards away and hurl abuse and full coke cans at us, now full coke cans hurt, alot. But did any staff in the school ever do anything? no, they stand back and watch, yet a fair few of my friends now have permentant negative education records because of chasing and unfortunately (for them) chatching the little b******* and beating the livng shite out of them, yet they still come back a week later when they recover and do the same, its a never ending circle till you leave school and they realise if they meet you in the street they better hope they can run faster than you.

[mark christopher]

too many do gooders, you carnt treat em like that, the criminal is more looked after than the victim, take saudi, one prison and its not full! why? because if they do somin wrong they know there going to get a punishment harsher than the crime.

[SlowOne]

Not quite - you've forgotten the bit about crime not being part of their acceptable behaviour, and about when a crime is committed, they get caught. The punishment isn't the deterrent, it's getting frowned upon by your peers, and getting caught.

We have many punishments harsher than the crime, and we have had the assessment of fines by your disposable income returned to Law without anyone realising. That means that, for the same offence, people earning more will pay more. Even our punishment no longer fits the crime, it fits your ability to pay.

But, Mark, you don't have a say in this because, as I recall it, you don't vote. Thanks to you, and millions like you, a bunch of tossers get elected, and then do what they like because they know you won't vote them out. Those that vote them in think they are doing the right thing, yet the majority of people I know think they are doing the wrong thing. And when that majority are asked, well, surprise, surprise, they don't vote!!!

Add non-voters to people who sue and the buggers who stole my daughter's bike to the list of people who are part of the problem... ( )

[telboy]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

I hope that if a copper did any of that to your child, even if it was by mistake, you'd not sue. They stand back because there is another type of a******e - the one's who will sue at the drop of a hat if they think there is the slightest possibility that they can screw us (our taxes pay the compensation) over for a big payout. IMHO, these people are as bad as the scum who nicked my daughter's bike. Take responsibility, not legal action.

Agreed, I think that the 'sue at the drop of a hat' culture is rediculous. Its silly things like 'the nitt nurse' at schools that get removed because some parent decided that a nurse looking through their kids hair is classed as 'abuse' therefor the schools no long used a nurse for this sort of thing. So now at least 2/3 times every school year we have to mess around sorting head lice, because the mentioned parent don't give a toss about their kids health, and so let them go to school with them.

And I know what you mean with the police too. The idiots that threaten to sue the police, just because they touched their arm whilst putting them into the back of the van.

It needs sorting. Stop people from taking legal action for silly things. It'll only take a couple of instances to be thrown out of court to stop these companies encouraging people.

I was horrified to see 'kiddy claims' on the tv the other week!
A kids park near my old home was taken down, because one of the 'idiot' neighbours sued the council after her kid fell from a swing and broke his arm.
...KIDS HAVE ACCIDENTS! After that my daughter had no where to play.....and neither did the kid that broke his arm.

[ashleyb4]

Some people need there heads checking i fell of stuff and banged my head loads and i turned out fine my parents didnt sue anyone. How pathetic.

A

[RLGfx]

Originally Posted by ashleyb4

...i fell of stuff and banged my head loads and i turned out fine

A

That's open for debate surely...

[SlowOne]

When I was a kid...

they gave thalidomide to mothers with morning sickness (youngsters, look it up on Wiki)
my cot was painted with lead-based paint...
my Dad's car had no seat belts, let alone an airbag or ABS...
the park had swings with chains, and stone floors...
there were only zebra crossings without any traffic lights...
there were only Routemaster buses with open-back platforms...
there were on cycle lanes...
there were no barriers on the central reservation of motorways...
...

I wonder how I ever made it this far without the Government and the EU to hold my hand...

[ben]

The way i see it is. "anything is as dangerous as you make it"

[mole2k]

There is always the theory that people have a preset danger level so making things safer makes them take more risks therefore by trying to make things safer you actually make it worse. I think there is lots of evidence of that around these days.

[cwilson]

we'll im 19 now and i am fed up of being seen as some lout who goes smashing the crap out of random strangers. im all for bringing back public floggings. it will teach the little b******ds a lesson they wont soon forget. and the police shold do more but they cant because as said before they're afraid of being sued which is understandable so again as said before make it illegal to sue for a stupid offence.

when i was younger i went througth at least 7 different schools. why? bullying. and every time i went to teachers for help all they would is say "i'll deal with it in a minute". did they hell do anything. it was only when one of the teachers saw me being choked with a skipping rope by one of the bullys that they did anything. what happened to the guy who was stragling me? one week susspention and a sat morn detention. thats all. so basiclly that kid got off scot free for atemted murder. and he could stay at home and play video games all day. did he learn a lesson? no. and its the people from my age group who are causing all the problems. whenever i go up to the shops i have to go past at least three groups of kids causing problems outside the shops all from my age group. the same people who i grew up with and it so really tiks me off.

i reckon the govment should do what some other countries do(i dont know which does this so dont ask me) one country chops peoples fingers of for stealing so why dont we start doing that here. chop the little s***s fingers off so that they cant steal anything else.

now i banger race in my spare time but what annoys me is that the goverment tries to change some people so they become constructive parts off the comummity so lets them race bangers and they pay for just about all there equipment that they need. all in all a total off just over £2000 with a race car and tow motor and its bought for them. yet the rest of us have to pay for all our equipment and it uselly used stuff yet they get all brand new stuff for free. arrggh it makes me so angy.

and to top it off when my sister accitdently broke the side window on her nova. some cheeky little swine tried to steal some stuff out off it while me and my dad was looking. and the car was in the front garden with the broken window next to a large bush. so how he could see that the window was broke from path is beyond me. but when me and my dad came out the front and shouted at him he dropped what he had and pegged it. but he couldn't have been older then 16.

[telboy]

Yeah thats something that annoys me too. Do a crime...and get an education or a cool job! Whats that all about? We shouldn't be giving these dick heads second chances. What about all us that have lived by the rules all our lives?.....we get crapped on thats what!

Our government will never do what other countries do regarding punishment, because we have 'human rights'.....or should I say Criminals have human rights.

Someone breaks into your home and attacks you, you fight back and put them in hospital. They then use 'their' human rights and take YOU to court for gbh!?

To be honest, if someone came into my house and attacked my family, I'd quite happily go down for murder!......Then get my qualifications whilst I'm in there...watching sky tv and playing pool.

Having been at the hospital lots recently with my missus, I found out that people in hospital have to pay more for their tv than what inmates in prisons do!

[budgio]

Bring back national service.
i,d vote for that

[Crazy L]

I suggest logging on to some forum somewhere and having a bitch instead of burning livestock, blocking the roads, throwing eggs at MPs etc and generally making life hard for the government.

Why does everyone pay a tv licence? because you're told to, even though its a rip off, £144 a year to simply own a tv? you're having a laugh, dont pay it, if noone paid it, they'd scrap it.

Home defence, beat the living shat out of the scum who break in, bundle them in the boot and drive them out into the country, noone will ever know, or care. Remember, Tony Martins a 'kin hero in my eyes.

Human rights, if you continue to vote for the party that champions such a do-gooder charter, then you have no reason to bitch about it, btw, I have never voted for this sheister government, I voted blue. At least they said they'd keep the pound, which brings me on to my next subject concerning unelected scotsmen and the governing of England.....

Which I wont go into.

A million online petitions wont solve a damn thing, if we want OUR country to be run the way WE want it to, WE have to do something about it. Overthrow the government, instate a new party.

One with values of common sense, discipline, an interest in the peoples of its land.

If voted in, I would burn the Human Rights charter live on TV, and while I was at it, do the same to the EU treaty, again, live on British TV.

I wont be corrupted by anyone, if the EU asked for my signature, I'd tell them where to go.

I'd have prisons built, out at sea. disused oil rigs say.

Keep the Pound

smaller government = smaller taxes

National Anthem sung in all schools and Union Jack flown on ALL civil and public buildings.

And they are just a few of my policies

Vote for me and I will rescue this country from the quagmire of shat that we are in currently.

[telboy]

Originally Posted by Crazy L

Human rights, if you continue to vote for the party that champions such a do-gooder charter, then you have no reason to bitch about it, btw, I have never voted for this sheister government, I voted blue. At least they said they'd keep the pound, which brings me on to my next subject concerning unelected scotsmen and the governing of England.....

....neither have I.

I always vote for one that I know wont win, because I don't trust any of them. But at least that way I CAN have a say.

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by telboy

Yeah thats something that annoys me too. Do a crime...and get an education or a cool job! Whats that all about? We shouldn't be giving these dick heads second chances. What about all us that have lived by the rules all our lives?.....we get crapped on thats what!

Our government will never do what other countries do regarding punishment, because we have 'human rights'.....or should I say Criminals have human rights.

Someone breaks into your home and attacks you, you fight back and put them in hospital. They then use 'their' human rights and take YOU to court for gbh!?

To be honest, if someone came into my house and attacked my family, I'd quite happily go down for murder!......Then get my qualifications whilst I'm in there...watching sky tv and playing pool.

Having been at the hospital lots recently with my missus, I found out that people in hospital have to pay more for their tv than what inmates in prisons do!

That's another interesting departure of the modern age - you screw up and you get rewarded for it. If one more politician has a big idea to reward the late, lame and lazy with some scheme to get them back into society, I think I'll scream!!

Originally Posted by budgio

Bring back national service.
i,d vote for that

Brilliant idea... Send them off at the taxpayer's expense to learn to kill, and operate high-grade weapons, and then bring them back into society - want to think that one through again?

[Snakesonaplayne6]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

Well said! It is good to remember that 19m of the 60m of us are aged from 5 to 29, and we are talking about a handful. Despite that fact that not enough are caught, for 60m people there are only 80,000 in jail. Crime isn't nice, the people who do it are ***%&^O(£)£s, but overall, there's more good than bad.

Here in the states we have the opposite problem. There are countless examples of overcrowding of the prison system, and we have a 40% privatized prison system. Over here people get arrested for pointless shite. Whereas in the U.K. a kid might get an ASBO, here they would get sent to Juvenile hall (kiddie jail). I think the U.S. and U.K. should swap police forces for a couple years.