new amb system

[knighthawk]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

Oh and if you wrote off your car your insurance would repair or replace.

Mark,
Not wanting to start a text brawl but the above statement is only true if you have fully comp insurance, with 3rd party, you right it off tough shite, I know I've done it, many years ago now but you learn from your mistake, lol

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

Mark,
Not wanting to start a text brawl but the above statement is only true if you have fully comp insurance, with 3rd party, you right it off tough shite, I know I've done it, many years ago now but you learn from your mistake, lol

Only a tit would buy a new car and insure it third party...and as his example states new......

[knighthawk]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

Only a tit would buy a new car and insure it third party...and as his example states new......

Sorry my bad, didn't read the New part.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

Ok, can I just clear something up, if only that I get my facts right, this is a question I'd like answered ??

MRT are said to not counterfeit or make fake items !!

Do you or not send your original MyLaps or AMB personal transponder to MRT and they

1. Copy the signal.
2. Copy the unique ID Number from your original PT that MyLaps generated for that PT only

they also keep this data on file for further copies !!

So are they intact coping another companies product to sell their own ?
Yes it looks different
Yes you can replace the wire
Yes you can have different colour led's

But was the 7 digit code made by MyLaps ( or AMB ) and now copied by MRT

Thoughts !!

Originally Posted by DCM

Yes they copy the unique id from mylaps to fit on their pt.

So only my laps own that number id?, not the racer who bought it

I can buy a purcy with a number of my choice, as far is I'm concerned when I have done that its my personal property and number, not amb,s

[chuckie stella]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

Only a tit would buy a new car and insure it third party...and as his example states new......

You can't insure a new car 3rd party!!

ALL, lets get back on to this exhausted topic or delete the thread before it gets anymore stupid or personal, Jimmy!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by chuckie stella

You can't insure a new car 3rd party!!

ALL, lets get back on to this exhausted topic or delete the thread before it gets anymore stupid or personal, Jimmy!

So what you telling me for? Knight hawk brought 3rd party into it.

And what makes you think you carnt?

[Si Coe]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

Ok, can I just clear something up, if only that I get my facts right, this is a question I'd like answered ??

MRT are said to not counterfeit or make fake items !!

Do you or not send your original MyLaps or AMB personal transponder to MRT and they

1. Copy the signal.
2. Copy the unique ID Number from your original PT that MyLaps generated for that PT only

they also keep this data on file for further copies !!

So are they intact coping another companies product to sell their own ?
Yes it looks different
Yes you can replace the wire
Yes you can have different colour led's

But was the 7 digit code made by MyLaps ( or AMB ) and now copied by MRT

Thoughts !!

Yes - But I can do that at my local Sainsburys too. The key shop there can take my car remote key and duplicate the signal that gives off. In my case that signal was created by Renault but the new key has nothing to do with them except that it unlocks my Renault car.
And it costs a whole lot less than getting a new key from Renault too.

Come to think of it, the manual key also uses a custom 'code' from the lock maker. So are all keysmiths making 'fake' keys?

[knighthawk]

I had posted a reply, but what's the point

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

You made this same statement months ago !!

I stated the code was made by MyLaps !!

So to be clear, you buy the PT with a unique id of your choice, you pay your money and its yours !!

Yes, simple answer.

But who owns the rights to that product, code and id number ?
That I believe is MyLaps !
You just bought their product !

Must be why they block random numbers then eh...and owners of the amb have to get it unblocked, more top service.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

I had posted a reply, but what's the point

Got to be quicker at editing than that....

[knighthawk]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

Got to be quicker at editing than that....

Mark,
I've nothing to hide from
Just changed my mind in my post

You are pro MRT !
I don't care either way really, as long as my laps are counted !!

Cheers
Derek

[DCM]

I believe you can choose a number on a purcy, if it is available, it is yours. Mrt dont have the facility to produce unique codes so can only clone. When you buy the purcy, the number us yours, the encryption (or however it is coded) is the rights of MyLaps. Just like the Renault car key above, cloning isnt an ussue, creating new locks us only allowed by the manufacturer.

[chuckie stella]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

So what you telling me for? Knight hawk brought 3rd party into it.

And what makes you think you carnt?

I'd only just answered your last post before you edited it!

I actually do believe you can't insure a brand new car (in England) third party only, I'm sure that will be your mission for the next couple of minutes to get me a quote stating otherwise from underneath a rock in north east Asia (or closer), I don't really f&£king care to be honest!

Back to topic

[Si Coe]

You own the number.

Mylaps are the only people allowed to generate new numbers and their associated codes but once they sell you the PT its yours.

Once you own that signal you can do with it as you please (within reason). So if you want to make a different device that transmits the some signal you can. But only you can use that signal.
Its no different to buying a CD and then ripping the tracks to your iPod. Its your music so you can choose how you want to listen to it. Its only a copyright issue when you have the copy but not the original

This means MRT's 'cloned' transponders are legally fine. You own the original AMB/Mylaps and the MRT clones. I;m not sure how the MRT 'custom' versions don't infringe copyright though.....

[knighthawk]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

This means MRT's 'cloned' transponders are legally fine. You own the original AMB/Mylaps and the MRT clones. I;m not sure how the MRT 'custom' versions don't infringe copyright though.....

Ok, but what happens if you don't own the original MyLaps PT anymore you had cloned/copied or whatever !!


Now again this is a question not another starter for 10 !

[andy110m]

How can someone address an issue but not the point? I wasn't discussing car insurance but the redress you'd expect from another manufacture or any manufacture from which you bought a product, used it, broke it and then expected them to right it for very little money.

Think about theses pt's will be produced by a machine in a factory somewhere. For them to set up a service as you suggest would be very expensive and that would add to the overall cost of the units. Or if they'd have said they could have serviced it but at a cost of £25 plus P&P at £5 plus vat, £36 total I certain you'd have moaned at that saying its only a 2 quid wire.
But its not the cost of the wire, its the staff and all that related cost.

Sadly, in our sociality, items of this value, relativity low at under £80 are considered consumable, throw away items

[Si Coe]

Originally Posted by knighthawk

Ok, but what happens if you don't own the original MyLaps PT anymore you had cloned/copied or whatever !!


Now again this is a question not another starter for 10 !

This is actually a rather important question, and the reason Purcy has an extra digit for each car.

It has been known for people to quit racing and ebay off their transponders (say 1 AMB and 2 MRT clones of the same). If different people buy them thats 3 racers with the same 'unique' number. I guess the AMB owner has true claim to the number.

[Si Coe]

Originally Posted by andy110m

How can someone address an issue but not the point? I wasn't discussing car insurance but the redress you'd expect from another manufacture or any manufacture from which you bought a product, used it, broke it and then expected them to right it for very little money.

Think about theses pt's will be produced by a machine in a factory somewhere. For them to set up a service as you suggest would be very expensive and that would add to the overall cost of the units. Or if they'd have said they could have serviced it but at a cost of £25 plus P&P at £5 plus vat, £36 total I certain you'd have moaned at that saying its only a 2 quid wire.
But its not the cost of the wire, its the staff and all that related cost.

Sadly, in our sociality, items of this value, relativity low at under £80 are considered consumable, throw away items

But the MRT PT's have to be made, cost less and can be repaired for much less than £36.
Its not like Mylaps themselves need to offer repairs - just using a case that allowed access would meant 3rd party repairs could be made.
Mylaps have made the decision that their PT's aren't repairable - it wasn't to save costs, its not for technical reasons so its clearly to make you have to buy another.

[Oli_M]

I'm not sure why there's all the blame on MyLaps here.

I would suggest the issue lies squarely with MRT. They sold a transponder which was "supposed" to be a clone of the original AMB PT. Now, the AMB PT continues to work on all the AMB/MyLaps decoders, and yet the MRT doesn't.

So it's not a very good 'clone' is it?

If it was doing what it was supposed to be doing - it replicating the same signal as the AMB units, then it would work fine on the new decoder and there would be no issues for anyone.

It's a tough decision for clubs. The Essex Winter Series currently has two decoders, and we understand a lot of people using MRTs. For sure it's not an ideal situation. I hope MRT get their units sorted out ASAP which will help everyone out.

[knighthawk]

Originally Posted by Oli_M

I would suggest the issue lies squarely with MRT. They sold a transponder which was "supposed" to be a clone of the original AMB PT. Now, the AMB PT continues to work on all the AMB/MyLaps decoders, and yet the MRT doesn't.

So it's not a very good 'clone' is it?

If it was doing what it was supposed to be doing - it replicating the same signal as the AMB units, then it would work fine on the new decoder and there would be no issues for anyone.

This is the best point that's been raised so far !!