mk racing indoor gp 16th dec

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by c0sie

Lee you crack me up!

Usual Lee "Subtle as a car crash" Martin

[Lee Martin]

[rich_cree]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Usual Lee "Subtle as a car crash" Martin

He speaks the truth! Seems like the jumps are here to stay thank god, theres only one way to get better at them, practise!

So anyway, whens the next one???????????????????????????????????????????????

[Lee Martin]

im sure we can sort one all in due time!!!!!

rich, fancy coming to help design track next time.....?

[rich_cree]

yeh ok, 4 crossovers, big quad jump, banked corner????

[Lee Martin]

dialled!

[markwilliamson2001]

I think I will split the middle ground here...(as far as jumps are concerned).

I don't mind jumps, (this is off-road) so long as they are well thought out.
I made mistakes on the jumps, but then again I was taking the risk by trying to clear them in one. I could of rolled over most of them, without making mistakes safely - so I understand pidges risk and reward theory.

My must have/be criteria for jumps should be..

1) They are made out of flexible materials that allow some 'give' (well done here Newbury/MK GP)

2) There is always an opt out jump option (to roll the jump should you actually have to... This covers your mixed ability/mere mortal drivers, so if they massively overjump the jump (taking the risk) and break their car, its their fault, not yours(club). As I have mentioned earlier, this was my only criticism of the cross over jump. All the other jumps could be rolled if necessary. This allows the top guys to have fun on jumps, without demoralising the lower ability drivers, allowing them to roll if necessary.

3) A suitably large enough landing area, that is not car destroying (i.e. not onto hard concrete slabs, etc etc - again newbury did well with this the majority of the time, but I thought the landing area for a very critical cross-over jump was not quite big enough. I understand that you were trying to slow the cars down for this by making it smaller, but it was easily clearable with a little more throttle on board. Again the problem lied here with that you had no option to opt out of it/roll it. The big dome jump was excellent in this regard.

4) Not having jumps that jump towards each other, with very little track seperation. This problem was mainly to do with the limited space in the hall, and trying to make enough features, but again the problem lied with the cross-over jump, and people over-jumping it, which it was easily clearable, but too close to the other jump, in front of the rostrum.

The rest of the track was ace, a real challenge. My only moan, which I stated earlier was the cross over jump.

To balance the jump/driver ability problem out, just keep the jumps in, but make them a bit 'simpler'. Those 'kickers' were ace jumps, which gave good air, but combined with the other ramps afterwards, just made it a tad too difficult for the lesser drivers.

I hope that these comments are taken on board for next time...

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by rich_cree

yeh ok, 4 crossovers, big quad jump, banked corner????

What about a wall ride like they have for the Micro's at some places

I've got some ideas for another meeting, i'll talk to Andy about when we can arrange the next one but i'm thinking early Feb if possible to give everyone notice and time to get sorted after Christmas and New year!

[Lee Martin]

you have to have down ramps.............

wat makes jumps rubbish is not having anything to aim for and down side.....

[OldTimer]

I was just thinking a wall ride at the end of the straight would be so cool

[rich_cree]

Actually, how about 6 tonnes of red clay?

[Nick Goodall]

Haha yeah now you're talking

Spoke to Andy and he's thinking of trying to organise another on in Jan, maybe not as big but we should have time to get a few people pre-booked if we get on and confirm a date!

I've got loads of track plans both with and without cross-overs so i'm thinking of scanning them in and uploading Pics so people could maybe vote for a layout (say 1-5 different tracks)? Think that would be an idea??

Saves any moaning then - let the people have the choice

[Southwell]

We can always play with track layouts on Fridays too.

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by Southwell

We can always play with track layouts on Fridays too.

Unfortunately not really :-( We have to lay the track out for Touring cars and then build around it with Jumps etc so we are really limited on what we do as all the jumps have to be on the outside really

[markwilliamson2001]

Good idea Nick, give power back to the people!

I think Pidge should think about this too... since if the voting racers had been allowed pick the National series for 2008, his track might have got picked, same goes for the layout at the next one...

My two cents...
M.

[Lee Martin]

haha!

you never know eh mark!

[Steve.T]

Originally Posted by pidge

go race touring cars

A little disapointed at this remark

I had a great time on sunday despite braking a wishbone and a shock tower on the dreaded crossover.
However, I got better with practise and was quite satisfied with my result.
I do think that some more consideration could have been given to those racers who don't have the ability of the top drivers in regards to track design.
No doubt some will say go race touring cars or pactise more but I am very short sighted to the extent that my depth perception is almost useless and it is unlikely I will ever impriove beyond the abilty I am at now.

I would also like to remind people that it is racers like myself who race in the lower finals who make up the bulk of the competitors in these events and that without us the top drivers would race at very lonely halls and outdoor tracks.

[Southwell]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Unfortunately not really :-( We have to lay the track out for Touring cars and then build around it with Jumps etc so we are really limited on what we do as all the jumps have to be on the outside really

Yeh i understand that mate, but we can still do the layouts, so we know the racing will be good., but better with jumps!

[markwilliamson2001]

No offence Pidge,

I think your track (CML) should have been picked over one of the other tracks...it does look good, I think that a track should only be allowed two National meetings in a row, before someone else gets a turn..(Kiddy should have had no meeting this year).

BTW - I like the banked wall idea, sounds awesome!

[markwilliamson2001]

I think Steve T has made the comment, that I have not yet dared made... (but I am with him on this one).

The majority of drivers (60-70%) are F3 or lower ability on all clubs around the country.