body shell let downs :(

[DCM]

It has been a while since I have received a shell with no window masks, and for the people who are happy with a one colour wonder, they are essential, as they don't want to be fussing with masking tape or vinyl, cutting it out etc. And they really cost pennies to produce, but make the life of the 'home painter' far easier.

As a painter, I use Liquid Mask, as I find the window masks take far to long to get lined up in the right position. But not everyone can afford to get shells painted either.

[SHY]

Originally Posted by MikePimlott

If you pay top price for a shell why would you use stick on masks?
They leak paint and and dont leave sharp lines then its really ruined.

Liquid mask

+1

Never use the tape masks, liquid mask is much better. And the result is more accurate.

[Nas]

£30.00 for a Xray shell but guess what NO STICKERS!!!

[jkclifford]

Originally Posted by x313

You need to relax and stop getting upset about what makes others happy...

I like my cars to look cool, but cant paint at all.. where is the crime in that?

Some people would like there car to be in the A but arnt good enough, you don't get someone else to drive for you.

This is not bashing the pro painters love there work really do. Its my opinion that they shouldn't be in a concourse event on someone elses car, it should be individuals work.

[eyeayen]

Originally Posted by NASIR

£30.00 for a Xray shell but guess what NO STICKERS!!!

Strange, I've painted a couple of Xray shells, always had window masks with them, I'd contact who you bought it from and ask where they are ? Or give it to a painter who won't use them anyway...

Originally Posted by jkclifford

Some people would like there car to be in the A but arnt good enough, you don't get someone else to drive for you.

This is not bashing the pro painters love there work really do. Its my opinion that they shouldn't be in a concourse event on someone elses car, it should be individuals work.

I can see your point but it isn't like there is a massive prize for winning concourse, you don't get a kit or anything, usually in my own experience it's just a little trophy. The owner of the pro painted shell has after all paid out of their own pocket to commission said paint job and therefore if they want to enter it into the concourse because they paid for it that's fair enough, however perhaps the judges should be made aware of who has painted their own shell and who has paid to have theirs painted. The obvious solution for everyone is to pay for a shell to be painted then all enter concourse

It's a very grey area, in motorsport you have a driver or rider to pilot your machine, they get prize money for winning, and the team also get prize money, it's a complete team effort. No one says, oh, you can't have the prize money because you didn't hold the spanners. So perhaps painters should be seen as part of a team effort ?

[kayce]

Originally Posted by eyeayen

I can see your point but it isn't like there is a massive prize for winning concourse, you don't get a kit or anything, usually in my own experience it's just a little trophy. The owner of the pro painted shell has after all paid out of their own pocket to commission said paint job and therefore if they want to enter it into the concourse because they paid for it that's fair enough, however perhaps the judges should be made aware of who has painted their own shell and who has paid to have theirs painted. The obvious solution for everyone is to pay for a shell to be painted then all enter concourse

I think their point was that when concourse comps were started everyone painted their own shells, there were no pro painters (that can charge exhorbitant rates), and the contests were mano-e-mano and not mano-e-who has the deepest pockets.

[U1timate PigDog]

I think that the comment on painters is a touch harsh as it takes alot of time and effort to paint bodies like that and time cost money and the prices are better than reasonable in my opinion.

I sort of agree on the concourse front though its not so much a big deal, I think it matters more at local club concourses than at event ones as alot of the top drivers get there bodies painted and if they wish to enter its more of a level playing field.

I did find it funny that I was recently told I wasn't allowed to enter my own body as I paint bodies for others in order to be fair to other people at the club. No big deal though everyone likes to see there work being show cased either on there car or someone elses.

[Dudders]

My new Hotbody has arrived with window lickers!

[Col]

When was the last concourse competition in the UK?

I've never heard of one?

[deepdale11]

Sorry....whats a concourse meeting??

[Col]

My point exactly!

[Dudders]

Originally Posted by Col

My point exactly!

[jonmiller]

Originally Posted by U1timate PigDog

I did find it funny that I was recently told I wasn't allowed to enter my own body as I paint bodies for others in order to be fair to other people at the club.

State of the world today.....

[reg]

Originally Posted by deepdale11

Sorry....whats a concourse meeting??

i think its to do with the perfect shell disign

[eyeayen]

Originally Posted by kayce

I think their point was that when concourse comps were started everyone painted their own shells, there were no pro painters (that can charge exhorbitant rates), and the contests were mano-e-mano and not mano-e-who has the deepest pockets.

From my understanding of body shell paintwork being charged out between £20 and £40 - minimum wage for someone over 21 is £6.08 per hour, minimum wage is usually basic factory work or shop assistants. None of whom I suspect can use an airbrush to a proficient level to airbrush a body shell, for people who are doing this and putting their time and effort into it I don't think £40 is too much to ask at all. I couldn't do a shell in 4 hours from the time I unpacked it to the time I took it back down the post office to return to it's customer so I don't think any painters are charging "exorbitant rates", also it's not just their time you're paying for, it's the fact they have the knowledge to do it in the first place as well as the paint in stock along with the masking materials and the airbrush. Those rates are cheap !

Your other point about it being unfair on those who do paint their shells vs those who pay for them to be painted it fair enough though and I can see your point.

[eyeayen]

Originally Posted by deepdale11

Sorry....whats a concourse meeting??

There aren't just concourse meetings, it's normally something that happens a few times a year within normal club meetings. I don't think every club run it though ?

[kayce]

Originally Posted by eyeayen

From my understanding of body shell paintwork being charged out between £20 and £40 - minimum wage for someone over 21 is £6.08 per hour, minimum wage is usually basic factory work or shop assistants. None of whom I suspect can use an airbrush to a proficient level to airbrush a body shell, for people who are doing this and putting their time and effort into it I don't think £40 is too much to ask at all. I couldn't do a shell in 4 hours from the time I unpacked it to the time I took it back down the post office to return to it's customer so I don't think any painters are charging "exorbitant rates", also it's not just their time you're paying for, it's the fact they have the knowledge to do it in the first place as well as the paint in stock along with the masking materials and the airbrush. Those rates are cheap !

Apparently you missed the point - for it's not about how much they're priced for being done by someone else, it's that they didn't do the work themselves. It's like a child cheating on their homework from school - getting someone else to do it for them, whether it be that they're too lazy or don't have the skills, and putting themselves up for an academic prize.

[U1timate PigDog]

Originally Posted by kayce

Apparently you missed the point - for it's not about how much they're priced for being done by someone else, it's that they didn't do the work themselves. It's like a child cheating on their homework from school - getting someone else to do it for them, whether it be that they're too lazy or don't have the skills, and putting themselves up for an academic prize.

I believe the comment about exhorbinant prices that you wrote, is what eyean was refering and he also agreed with you on the concourse part.

I don't really think its that big of a deal to be honest the idea of a concourse is for people to show off there bodies (they painted or not) and they are given a small trophy in reward for having the best body.

No big deal really.

[Col]

Originally Posted by U1timate PigDog

No big deal really.

especially as I've been racing 20 years and never seen one!

[daz]

Originally Posted by Col

especially as I've been racing 5 years and never seen one!

EFA.