Shocks off the Back!!!

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by Lee

Could this stop the arse end leaning so much?

Your's wasn't moving round much at the back from what I could see at NERCR Lee

[Northy]

That's it Chris, brain not working this morning

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[Lee]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Your's wasn't moving round much at the back from what I could see at NERCR Lee

It felt like it was, especially coming through the chicane onto the straight, that was the only place i could feel it though

[bigred5765]

was that just you shaking to the music though

[elvo]

Originally Posted by Northy

But only if you cad'ed it all up and calculated where to drill the new holes to keep the wheel rate the same?

ELVO!!!!!!

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What? Who?

Doughty got it spot on.

[GPS1]

Blimey!! That all started to get quite technical, but thankyou all for your opinions!!
So Chris is saying by moving the shocks to the rear of the wishbone it will cause more flex in it. What will this do to the handling?
Richard & Mr.Doughty are both saying it will shift the weight distribution about and push the wing out further. Again, what effect will this have on the performance of the car?

[Lee]

I think the conclusion is that it probably isn`t worth doing, there is very little to be gained if anything, if rich cree cant tell if there is a difference then us mere mortals wont either

[Chris Doughty]

I normally think that having weight 'hanging' over the rear keeps the rear end planted when hitting a kicking style rut or bump.

the wing further back I find is more stable in flight.

I think the wing on a 10th scale buggy is like the flight on a dart, the further back it is from the CoG the more likely it is to stay flying forwards when its in the air.

[OldTimer]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Rich Cree tried it at Southport and I think the conclusion was it made no difference

He also tried it at Batley and did notice a difference

I find the car is better over highspeed bumps with the shocks at the rear.

[Lee]

Do you mean Batley indoor Jonathan?

Might be worth a try to tame the car over the super random mats

[OldTimer]

No it was at the national outdoors.

[Northy]

Did it fly better?

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[BradR]

Originally Posted by xx4-nutter

must work, most of the top cars have this sort of set up

Except for the last two World champions, Euro champions, US champions, etc.

[Richard Lowe]

Brad wins the thread

If the bottom shock mount were in the same place relative to hole in the front of the wishbone the wheel rate would actually get softer. It's a bit counter-intuative as the hole is moving out on the car but if you think about it the distance between the inner pivot point and the shock pickup point is the same. All you are doing in effect is laying the shock down, therefore making it a bit softer initially.

[OldTimer]

Don't think so lol, so the XX4 did not win any worlds or euros then

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Don't think so lol, so the XX4 did not win any worlds or euros then

Ah, another trick question, 2 in this forum in one week, I can;t handle it!

[BradR]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Don't think so lol, so the XX4 did not win any worlds or euros then

I said the last two, as in the two most recent of each event. The XX4's last World Championship was six years ago.

The XX4 is still a great car. However, its days of domination were before the current crop of four wheelers existed (BJ4, 501X, D4, B44, Aero, etc.), all of which have the shocks mounted in front of the rear arms.

[OldTimer]

I will let you win this time Brad, but you did miss off the S4 which was the highest placed car in production in our national series last year oh with shocks at the back lol.

[Lee Martin]

but it wasnt really in production....it was a conversion...................

hehe

[OldTimer]

You know what i mean and it does use a lot of Jconcept parts so win win for brad