Fair Fuel Prices

[Col]

Originally Posted by wacattack

If my wife and I weren't so close to our families we'd have moved there years ago

You actually like Craig?

[wacattack]

Originally Posted by Col

You actually like Craig?

I mean "blood" family. Not someone my mum n dad found by the side of the road

[FastWheels]

a sign from me as well !

[shaun m]

ive just signed aswell . it really pisses me off with the fuel prices , im doing about 180 miles a week , just going to work and to my local track on sundays etc , and now im having to sell my car (a car i wanted , rather than a car i have to get to live/survive a bit easyer ) , and have had to sell all my rc cars except 2 , and alot of my garage equiptment id gathered over the last few years

pesonally im thinking if we ( as the soo called great britain ) dont let all the imigrants in to the uk and give em citizenship ,and get all the lazy b'stards out working for they're doll money ....

[c0sie]

As much as I dont agree with looking after others before looking after ourselves, I would hazard a guess that most of the lazy fucks on the unemployment list were white British-born scum and not foreigners.

[shaun m]

Originally Posted by c0sie

As much as I dont agree with looking after others before looking after ourselves, I would hazard a guess that most of the lazy fucks on the unemployment list were white British-born scum and not foreigners.

yeah i meant the white british born scum , out doing something for theyre money

[andys]

Fuel prices are just one part of the misery of honest working folk these days.

Getting a mortgage - if you can afford one.
Getting car insurance - that's a bloody laugh.
Shopping at tesco, food prices are through the roof.
Electric and Gas bills just keep increasing.
30 to 40k Debt for university students.

And the kicker is wages are pretty much what they were a decade ago. Salaries just have not risen to keep pace in most industries.

We / or rather the current generation are in for one he'll of a ride. I really worry for my kids, as it's going to be incredibly tough.

[DragonRider]

As an HGV Driver by trade as well as myself suffering with high fuel costs to get too and from work I also see it hurting my employer which eventually may have a knock on effect to my employment.

Does the goverment not realise that everything in life at some point is moved by a Lorry or Van.

Signed and hoping this can go somewhere.

Mark

[Jedi Master]

Sign, and posted on Facebook.......

[Si Coe]

Rather than reducing fuel duty (which is just another tax and will get taken off us elsewhere) what needs to be done is some reigning in of the price gouging done by the oil companies.
The price of crude has risen, but the price at the pump rises a lot faster. When the price of crude falls, pump prices don't. If the Government slashed off 10p of tax on a litre, the price at the pump would only fall 8p.
The oil industry makes insane profits, and basically buys itself political safety. Hell - they had the clout to initiate 2 wars in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, which cunningly the tax payer actually foots the bill for.

Unfortunately fuel tax in the UK hides their antics somewhat compared to other countries. The oil companies tend to blame high prices on tax, yet still make literally billions in profit!

[bodgit]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Rather than reducing fuel duty (which is just another tax and will get taken off us elsewhere) what needs to be done is some reigning in of the price gouging done by the oil companies.
The price of crude has risen, but the price at the pump rises a lot faster. When the price of crude falls, pump prices don't. If the Government slashed off 10p of tax on a litre, the price at the pump would only fall 8p.
The oil industry makes insane profits, and basically buys itself political safety. Hell - they had the clout to initiate 2 wars in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, which cunningly the tax payer actually foots the bill for.

Unfortunately fuel tax in the UK hides their antics somewhat compared to other countries. The oil companies tend to blame high prices on tax, yet still make literally billions in profit!

The goverment are charging £3.83 tax on every gallon you buy. Thats £2 more than the companies who have to produce it. On top of this they tax the company who make it, the workers who produce it, the tanker driver who delivers it and then the garges who sell it.
The goverment are the ones making billions for doing sfa. I personally do not begrudge the profits the oil companies make, its the profits the goverment makes that gets my back up.

[daz]

Im not gonna even waste my time signing the petition. This goverment will never make a significant enough tax reduction to make a difference. And even if they did, they would only add it on to something else. This country and most of the worlds economy is f****d, and it wont get any better for along time. I was spending well over £200 a month on fuel for a 20 mile a day commute and a bit of social driving, but decided enough is enough and changed my life style and now spend less than a quarter of that now.

[bodgit]

Originally Posted by daz

Im not gonna even waste my time signing the petition. This goverment will never make a significant enough tax reduction to make a difference. And even if they did, they would only add it on to something else. This country and most of the worlds economy is f****d, and it wont get any better for along time. I was spending well over £200 a month on fuel for a 20 mile a day commute and a bit of social driving, but decided enough is enough and changed my life style and now spend less than a quarter of that now.

Have you quit your job and signed on

[daz]

Originally Posted by bodgit

Have you quit your job and signed on

Nearly, your'e not entitled to sign on if you quit your work, so I decided to go to work naked for a few days and growling like a dog to all the staff until my bosses decided i was insane. Spent a few weeks in a metal hospice, now my wife gets paid for being my carer and everything else comes out of the tax payers pocket to pay for my re-abilitation and accomadation.

[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by andys

Fuel prices are just one part of the misery of honest working folk these days.

Getting a mortgage - if you can afford one.
Getting car insurance - that's a bloody laugh.
Shopping at tesco, food prices are through the roof.
Electric and Gas bills just keep increasing.
30 to 40k Debt for university students.

And the kicker is wages are pretty much what they were a decade ago. Salaries just have not risen to keep pace in most industries.

We / or rather the current generation are in for one he'll of a ride. I really worry for my kids, as it's going to be incredibly tough.

That is pretty much an exact description of life in the 1960s, except you can knock a nought off the Uni costs, and a nought off the average wage, and it was mainly Sainsbury's in those days. Tesco was to shopping what Lidl and Aldi are today - cheap and about 3% market share. Despite 50 years of so-called progress and technology, things haven't changed much at all, and aren't likely to in the next 50 years. This is capitalism, and this is how it works when it is run by right-wingers. Thatcher and Blair tried to change it - didn't work!

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Rather than reducing fuel duty (which is just another tax and will get taken off us elsewhere) what needs to be done is some reigning in of the price gouging done by the oil companies.
The price of crude has risen, but the price at the pump rises a lot faster. When the price of crude falls, pump prices don't. If the Government slashed off 10p of tax on a litre, the price at the pump would only fall 8p.
The oil industry makes insane profits, and basically buys itself political safety. Hell - they had the clout to initiate 2 wars in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, which cunningly the tax payer actually foots the bill for.

Unfortunately fuel tax in the UK hides their antics somewhat compared to other countries. The oil companies tend to blame high prices on tax, yet still make literally billions in profit!

Oil companies make large numerical profits, but as an investment they aren't very good. Your pension and savings are invested in oil companies because they have always made a steady income and are relatively safe. As an individual investor, they don't make much money at all, and very little capital appreciation above the market trends. Lot's of noughts once again, but poor businesses for the investor.

Originally Posted by bodgit

The goverment are charging £3.83 tax on every gallon you buy. Thats £2 more than the companies who have to produce it. On top of this they tax the company who make it, the workers who produce it, the tanker driver who delivers it and then the garges who sell it.
The goverment are the ones making billions for doing sfa. I personally do not begrudge the profits the oil companies make, its the profits the goverment makes that gets my back up.

Government profits? You're kidding, right? They've made so many losses we now owe £950bn as a country to others, which is costing us £43bn a year in interest. Within four years, it will be double that, 9p in every £ of tax collected, and more than it costs to run the NHS. Government profits? If only...

Originally Posted by daz

Nearly, your'e not entitled to sign on if you quit your work, so I decided to go to work naked for a few days and growling like a dog to all the staff until my bosses decided i was insane. Spent a few weeks in a metal hospice, now my wife gets paid for being my carer and everything else comes out of the tax payers pocket to pay for my re-abilitation and accomadation.

Brilliant! Wonderful summary of how the system just does not work at all for people who pay in honestly and straightforwardly, but with a little deviousness...

[SlowOne]

Si and others, I thought this might be of interest. The first link is A diagram showING where all the money goes. Although it is out of date in terms of numbers, the proportions are still the same. The second one gives you the 2012/13 numbers - £700bn!!

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-file...c.spending.pdf

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/

Try and go through that and decide what you wouldn't pay any more. Factor in the dole for the thousands you wouldn't employ in those Governmant departments any more, and that for every penny you want off income tax, you need to cut spending by about £10bn. One rule; you cannot cut anything in these three areas (those we as citizens cannot do locally or alone) which are the essence of what Government is for - defend the Realm, defend the currency, maintain Law and Order. Almost everything else we could, as citizens, sort out or pay for ourselves.

Look also at the amounts spent on housing the pregnant teenage mother as against the amount spent on pensions, or on Scotland. As it shows, the traditional targets for abuse are actually those taking the least amount of our money!

I hope that letting a few facts get in the way of a good story might be useful!!

PS - here's how the proportion of the Government's income is made up - has anyone ever heard of an Aggregates Levy?!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxatio...United_Kingdom