Michael Schumacher penalised

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by BagofSkill

I think it was very rude and I had my heart in my mouth just watching it, but then, do we actually expect anything else from Schumacher? It just goes to prove he'd pull that manouvre for the world championship or for 10th place in a gp, that is the man. At least he's consistent.

I do think the outcry is a bit of a overeaction though. Vettel (the young Schu- don't forget) has done the same thing at least 3 times on his own team mate this year alone, twice off the start and once in Turkey leading to a high speed crash. There was a lot less outcry for that, and no penalties at all.

I'd say the 10 place drop is fair and let that be an end to it.

Well said, i think the fact that nothing happened (luckily to Ruebens) is the best outcome from this, he was luckily able to pass and carry on, nothing happened although it was close.....

If all Close ones or potentially dangerous moves were penalised, everyone would be 10 spaces back by now, certainly at some stage - I know potentially this one could have been worse due to the speeds involved, but nobody really knows what the outcome could have been in some of the lower speed moves we've seen......

Webber shunting off Hamilton in Aus for apparently no reason, luckily he still managed to get back on track and finish but it was still dangerous driving....

Webber ramming the Lotus up the rear and getting air-bourne, that was his fault but was still technically dangerous driving - what if he'd killed the guy driving the Lotus?

I think people have been desperate to put down Mr Schumacher as soon as he announced his return, it's a shame really as i still believe if he was in the McLaren or Red Bull he would be right up there - i think he'd certainly be splitting Hamilton and Button at McLaren, and possibly be quicker then Webber at Red Bull... (IMO of course)

Everyone was anticipating this to be the most exciting year of F1 for ages, the viewing figures must have gone through the roof with the likes of Michael coming back so at least he's doing his part to keep it interesting / exciting

Greatest ever or not, i don't think anyone can doubt he's a winner at all costs and ALL great Champions are like that, even Senna was dirty as hell when he had to be.

[Matt-h]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Greatest ever or not, i don't think anyone can doubt he's a winner at all costs and ALL great Champions are like that, even Senna was dirty as hell when he had to be.

But Senna never denied being like that and everyone knew what he was going to do.

Schumachers sheer arogance,denial and thinking he can bullshit his way through an interview is what gets people so wound up.

The bloke is a liability! Fact!

[Mouton]

Does a champ need to be PC? It is OK for rock stars and movie stars to be rude. Why cannot a F1 champ allow himself to be rude? It's is OK for Schumacher to be rude to journalists when he's in white racing overalls and calls himself The Stig, right?

Jeremy Clarkson can also be rude (sometimes he is even downright arrogant to people) and he is considered funny. I like Clarkson and find most of his and May's (Hamster, however, I would only be glad so see replaced by something more funny, like a brick or Sabine Schmidt so the show could get three excellent presenter.

I am not defending Schumacher's actions, merely questioning why everything must be som PC in our day and age?

He is the most successful driver in the sport. Beeing so makes many hate him, beeing German make some hate him as well. While English is not my native langueage, I believe you spell the explanation to that hatred jealousy.

I missed the race so I will not comment on the incident itself. I do, however believe that no man is perfect, and apparently the most succesful man in the sport has made a misstake that that luckily did not lead to any fatalites (something other reckless F1-drives have).

[bodgit]

Originally Posted by Mouton

I missed the race so I will not comment on the incident itself. I do, however believe that no man is perfect, and apparently the most succesful man in the sport has made a misstake that that luckily did not lead to any fatalites (something other reckless F1-drives have).

He did not make a mistake. It was a deliberate act. He claims to have tried to have tried to make Rubans overtake on his left, but he saw him in the mirrors and alongside him interlocking wheels. I really think if Rubans had have hit the wall he would not have cared less.
DC got it right. He said Schumacher for all his greatness dosent know when to give it up and I wonder if that is what he should be thinking in terms of his comeback.
What is the point of implimenting all the safety features on the cars if you get one errant driver who will put anothers life at risk.
One last point. Was Schumacher not the drivers safety rep a few years back????

[Matt-h]

Originally Posted by Mouton

Does a champ need to be PC? It is OK for rock stars and movie stars to be rude. Why cannot a F1 champ allow himself to be rude? It's is OK for Schumacher to be rude to journalists when he's in white racing overalls and calls himself The Stig, right?

I am not defending Schumacher's actions, merely questioning why everything must be som PC in our day and age?.

Not sure what being PC has to do with this topic

[CHEVY]

he should be banned for ever it is not the first time this season
he thinks he still has it i would raither see one of the hisppania
drivers in the car at least thay show some race craft

[Chrislong]

What happened in the pits was an incident, thankful that nobody got hurt. Could have been avoided but it wasn't intentional.

What happened with Schumacher was a deliberate act. He chose to force Ruebens over, he should have chosen to defend the position before Ruebens was by his side. But also he had more time to decide to do this than say Webber hitting the Lotus for example. Its clear to see he knew he was there, and what he was doing, its inexcusable. He made that decision, and its one that could have been fatal, get him out of the car, chop his arms and legs off and spear him onto a 200ft flag pole.

[Matt-h]

big fan then

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by Matt-h

big fan then

Sure

[chalky]

its racing, your meant to make it hard for someone to pass or whats the point

you cant tell me bazza didnt know what was coming and he didnt back off

you make your choices in life they could be golfers instead, but choose to drive 200mph racing cars with the money and the danger it may bring

[Matt-h]

Please!

He could not back off!
He got along side him and then the door was shut - by this time RB already had position

Next you'll say it was Webbers fault in Turkey!

[PaulRotheram]

It was webbers fault in Turkey.

[bodgit]

And they say an F1 car can drive upside down. Did not look like it could to me. James Bond would have completed the roll, landed on 4 wheels and gone on to win the race and nob at least 10 girls on the stairs on his way up to collect the trophy.

[chalky]

if you think your getting put in the wall and theres a good chance your going to die you can back off

schue was just seeing how big bazzas balls are

and to be fair mellons spring to mind

[bodgit]

Hard to back off when your front wheel is between another cars front and rear and you are less than 5mm from the wall.

[Matt-h]

Originally Posted by bodgit

And they say an F1 car can drive upside down. Did not look like it could to me. James Bond would have completed the roll, landed on 4 wheels and gone on to win the race and nob at least 10 girls on the stairs on his way up to collect the trophy.

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Ha ha ha. you know that!

Originally Posted by bodgit

Hard to back off when your front wheel is between another cars front and rear and you are less than 5mm from the wall..

Indeed. That was what i was trying to put across

[chalky]

Originally Posted by bodgit

Hard to back off when your front wheel is between another cars front and rear and you are less than 5mm from the wall.

but ok to keep excellerating which sends you in the air

backing off opposite effect

[Danosborne6661]

Always appreciated Schumachers ability to drive but when you see dirty drives like that I'd rather see him not racing to be honest

[poopers]

Schumacher’s a disgrace to the sport, and I’ve had that opinion since ’94.

There are plenty of legendary champions that have won without resulting to dirty tactics; Stewart, Clark, Hill (Graham), Häkkinen, Fittipaldi you could just go on. Comparing the incidents between Schu and Senna like the BBC consistently do is misguided too. The only time I’ve seen Senna ever be dirty was taking out Mansell at the end of the ’92 season, that was out of order. Taking out Prost in Japan was fair play as far as I was concerned. He warned them he'd not lift at the first corner if they moved his pole position. Here's the best part, there have been more commentated on dangerous moves by Schumacher in one race than Senna’s entire F1 career.

So to conclude, the FIA should shove a hot poker up Schumi’s ass ‘till he stops enjoying it.

[bodgit]

Originally Posted by poopers

So to conclude, the FIA should shove a hot poker up Schumi’s ass ‘till he stops enjoying it.

Thats a bit harsh.
Personally I would like to see him sent to hell and like in the film
Little Nicky he could take over from Hiltler having a pineapple shoved up it every day