Nick Griffin on Question Time

[emtee]

slowone... I really don't have a clue what you mean dude...! that was w-a-a-a-y too long a reply and sadly I dropped off after about line 3... BTW, you missed the point completely... oh, and I think the word you were struggling to spell is "barbarian"...

Take a chill pill bill...

p.s. you weren't in the audience the other night were you...

[Rich D]

I dont think hes mis-spelled anything bud Clearly an academic fella thats all......... way over most peoples heads - mine included.

[emtee]

Are you sure..? check line 21, word 9 again.

Aahhh, an academic... that explains it...

[Rich D]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarism

One letter is wrong but its hardly Stampy esque is it

[DCM]

Immigration, is a hot potato at the moment, and it is a circle that will always come round, in times of recession, so people turn on those who have come in, and is working. Personally, I think that, unless you can actually bring a skill to this country, that is needed, you should not be allowed a work permit, but if you got a skill that can help, then great.

The big issue here, is that when the borders were open to Eastern Europe, no controls or measures were put in place, and it has got out of control.

Racial laws are not equal, and there are a lot of other things in this country, that is out of kilter, and, as much as we all agree with some of the observations, that the BNP have made, I don't think many of us would actually agree on their solutions.

[emtee]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience."

That's what Nick Griffin is, a child or barbarisn,

Sorry for being frivolous and distracted... but you are right, it's just one letter...

[Rich D]

Originally Posted by DCM

Immigration, is a hot potato at the moment, and it is a circle that will always come round, in times of recession, so people turn on those who have come in, and is working. Personally, I think that, unless you can actually bring a skill to this country, that is needed, you should not be allowed a work permit, but if you got a skill that can help, then great.

The big issue here, is that when the borders were open to Eastern Europe, no controls or measures were put in place, and it has got out of control.

Racial laws are not equal, and there are a lot of other things in this country, that is out of kilter, and, as much as we all agree with some of the observations, that the BNP have made, I don't think many of us would actually agree on their solutions.

This makes 100% sense to me

[Alfonzo]

Surely people should be judged by their actions, not skin colour? Policies based purely on skin colour are just plain weird, especially in this day and age of the internet etc. It's a pretty small world nowadays.

There's plenty of things that need sorting out in this country, and it ain't going to get better anytime soon, but Griffin and his monkeys would be an absolute disaster if anywhere near power.

Let's talk about the things that matter, perhaps;

Our lack of manufacturing and exports.
Lazy good for nothing benefit claiments etc
Downright feral behaviour / disrespectfulness in society etc.
Our greedy self serving banks.

Things need sorting, but the BNP can Jog On.

[Alfonzo]

Originally Posted by emtee

Totally agree... he is making statements on national tv that I've heard said in every office and factory I've visited around this land (which is a lot..!) that's the idea of a "free" society... you should be able to say anything you like... that is a basic right that my dad and grandad, and lots of other peoples ancestors have fought for...

Nic Griffin was the victim of a BBC supported ploy IMO... I watch QT regularly and have yet to see an audience "loaded" with so many "minority groups" on the show previously...!

I'll tell one thing - my Grandad died fighting people just like Griffins idiots, the only difference being they spoke German.

[jono83]

Originally Posted by D34no

I think Nick Griffin is only saying what most people think but are too affraid to say

Thats 100% truth and the other parties jus dont wanna lose the do gooders vote

[Alfonzo]

Well, if most people agreed, then the politicians wouldn't be concerned about the other views, because they'd have the majority vote!

Fact is most people don't agree with the BNP.

Most people agree there's loads of problems to be sorted, but the BNP aren't the answer.

[jono83]

most people are scared to admit they agree with the BNP

[Alfonzo]

Oh, I think most people will agree with one aspect or another of their policies. And most people will agree that stuff needs sorting, and soon. But the whole racial superiority, holocaust denying stuff and all that - I don't think most people agree with that.

Mind you, politics always get a little 'edgy' during recessions.

[ashleyb4]

I agree with certain arguments from all parties. I want to start my own party. I think ill call it the "lets cut the bullsh*t party"

I dont agree with certain people who sit at home all day who dont have a job live on the dowl then go out take drugs and get pissed everynight if there from poland, america, pakistan wales england scotland any where they piss me off. If they are from another country and they come here to live on the dowl or are involved in crime or have entered the country illegally then send them back!!!!!!

My mum is a teaching assitant at a secondary school and there are kids that come to school with ripped dirty cloths and the only thing that they will eat in the day is the free school dinner there given because there parrents just dont care or there off there head with drugs. This is a discrace that there are people driving round it ferrarri's range rovers etc etc and buying rediculous ammount of food they will never eat and there are small children out there of 11 who hardly eat. WTF is wrong here!!! The system is failling the system needs abolishing snd starting from scratch.

Im perfectly happy for asia's, africans, americans anyone from another country to come and live in the uk if they are law abiding and pay there way like everyone should. Alot of the people who come to our country are often nicer people than some of the people who say they are british.

Prime example my nan went into hospital a few months ago and there was an indian lady who was in the bed next to her and she was saying she had been in there for a month and knowone else had spoken to her on the ward and my nan was the first person who spoke to he and the day the lady left her family bought my nan flowers and home made jewllery etc now there nice people. Ide welcome nice people to the country but not some of the scum that come here now and even worse some of the scum that already live here.

My random 2 pence.

A

[Alfonzo]

Good post mate. I'll vote for the 'Let's cut the b*llsh*t party'

You've hit the nail on the head. It's about how people behave, not what they look like. And talking behaviour, let's just say the BNP don't exactly have a good record on that score.

The whole racial thing can be easily manipulated for devious means, history is full of examples from all over the world. It always leads to disaster. It's smoke and mirrors.

[Si Coe]

Well in my experience as a teacher I'd rather teach immigrants than 'home grown'.
In my previous school in Salford, 98% white, the number one career choice for girls was hairdresser. The most popular subject was childcare because unsurprisingly most were pregnant within a year of living (miracle they waited!).
The boys didn't really have a preferred career choice as most planning on being unemployed. As they put it 'why waste your time working when you can live on the social and play Xbox all day'. They weren't being lazy, that really was how they saw the world worked. And their parents agreed - after all that was their experience too.

Now I'm in Moss Side, and my form of 30 represent 16 nationalities. And you speak to the parents who will say things like 'I came to this country to give ....... a better chance in life'. They want to be doctors, or lawyers - they won't settle for dole scrounger! They have hope, ambition and drive - and that also rubs off on our small English contingent. They come from the same basic stock as the Salford lot, but exposure to those who don't expect everything handed to them on a plate has improved many.

Is immigration bad? Not for those I work with. The benefit cheats are mostly white British who feel the nation owes them something for being born here, not those that came to this country seeking to improve their lot.

[SlowOne]

Unfortunately, I am not an academic. If I were, then I'd have a tenured post with a full inflation-proof pension paid for by the rest of you!!

But it is interesting that someone simply dismisses it all, and hurls the word 'academic' at my feet as some sort of insult. It also illustrates how low the standard of education has sunk if the strands of modern history are a mystery to most people. Santayana was probably a bridge too far...

As for all this "law-abiding" stuff, white males make up 83% of the prison population, so it is the Brits, the people Nick Griffin wants to support, not the immigrants, who are breaking the Law!! Black British Nationals make up 12% of the prison population.

The BNP do not represent "most" people's views. The latest poll shows that 22% "would consider" voting for them, 3% would probably vote for them, and 38% said they would definitely not vote for them. Or, 78% won't consider voting for them, and 97% probably won't vote for them.

And then there's that wonderful line about the main parties "losing the do-gooders vote." We seem to be a nation of do-gooders, as there were 27 million votes cast at the last General Election, and 24 million of them were for the three main parties! Maybe there is another possible explanation for the main parties not wanting to say what Nick Griffin says - they don't agree with him, or believe in what he says? Nah, that doesn't make a good line down the pub, does it??!!!

(For the record, the BNP managed to get 193,000 people, or 0.7% of the vote, to put a cross in their box at the last General Election. Not 'most' people...)

I can echo the stories above about how hard-working and diligent I find the people that Nick Griffin hates and wants to 'send home'. By Griffin's standards, with my mother born in Lahore, and my father's parents being German, I am one he needs to send home. Since my mother's father was Scottish and was in India building railways when she was born, and my father's parents fled Germany to escape the Nazis, I am not sure where home is!!

And since the Norman invasion of 1066 installed a French-speaking monarchy, aristocracy and clerical hierarchy, couldn't we send Nick Griffin back to France?!!!

[DCM]

Originally Posted by ashleyb4

I agree with certain arguments from all parties. I want to start my own party. I think ill call it the "lets cut the bullsh*t party"

I dont agree with certain people who sit at home all day who dont have a job live on the dowl then go out take drugs and get pissed everynight if there from poland, america, pakistan wales england scotland any where they piss me off. If they are from another country and they come here to live on the dowl or are involved in crime or have entered the country illegally then send them back!!!!!!

My mum is a teaching assitant at a secondary school and there are kids that come to school with ripped dirty cloths and the only thing that they will eat in the day is the free school dinner there given because there parrents just dont care or there off there head with drugs. This is a discrace that there are people driving round it ferrarri's range rovers etc etc and buying rediculous ammount of food they will never eat and there are small children out there of 11 who hardly eat. WTF is wrong here!!! The system is failling the system needs abolishing snd starting from scratch.

Im perfectly happy for asia's, africans, americans anyone from another country to come and live in the uk if they are law abiding and pay there way like everyone should. Alot of the people who come to our country are often nicer people than some of the people who say they are british.

Prime example my nan went into hospital a few months ago and there was an indian lady who was in the bed next to her and she was saying she had been in there for a month and knowone else had spoken to her on the ward and my nan was the first person who spoke to he and the day the lady left her family bought my nan flowers and home made jewllery etc now there nice people. Ide welcome nice people to the country but not some of the scum that come here now and even worse some of the scum that already live here.

My random 2 pence.

A

Right, my experience is this, the system does suck, as the people who have never worked, know exactly how to bleed the system, but there are lots of us who legitimately claim but are made to jump through hoops to get the basics, and they will NEVER say, oh, did you know you can get this or that. Now, I am in a financial position which means, that I can't get a job, due to the way the system works, I would lost to much, why you may ask...

I am unfortunately, a home owner, now, if I work part time (can't do full time, 5 kids is a full time job) I lose the relief I get on my mortgage, and lots of other things, and I just can't make ends meet on that money, and yes, I have done budgeting to work it out, so I would have to work full time. But if I work full time, they will only help me out, up to 70% of child care, for the first two!! If I had a council house, I could do 16 hours, and have half my rent paid.

Now, as much as the system is wrong, you have to be careful in how you change the system, in as much as, the people who 'genuinely' claim, don't get affected, and trust me, the system NEEDS changing.

[James]

The problem with benefits is that many now view them as a default, not a safety net...

[Si Coe]

I have a relatively simple answer to that problem DCM - I call it National Service. Not like the old National Service, serving in the armed forces, just serving Britain as a whole.

Basically it works like this:

Nobody over school leaving age gets a single penny in support until they have worked a minimum of 1 year in a tax paying job.
Since not everyone leaving school will be able to get such a job, we will have to create some. Actually it might be more 'reallocate' because most of these jobs exist already. I'm talking all the minimum wage, unskilled jobs that exist supporting the civil service. Cleaners, hospital porters, kitchen workers etc at state owned facilities. Currently these go out to contract, but why not use to give these dossers some 'work experience'
Maybe go further - teach them skills and help the country. Get them building roads, cleaning up polluted beaches, planting trees etc. Either way, give something back before you are allowed to claim. Those that have left home can be accommodated in barracks style housing. No council house till you finish.
For those that can't do it, that turn up late, take too many sickies don't do the work etc - they can repeat until they get it right. Those new to the country can do a year too, unless they can get a job just like our school leavers.

Of course no government is every going to try something so radical.