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I think it will be strikingly similar to the way McLaren only got a slap on the wrist because Ron Dennis left.

Renault are surely hoping for the same.

I can't believe Max has managed to take down both Dennis and Flav before he lost out himself! Sweet revenge!
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[quote=Nick Goodall;287552]Real shame for F1, and interesting to think what might have happened in last years championship if this hadn't happened..... Could Mclaren or Ferrari have won the race?? We might have had a different world Champion for all we know!!

It did,nt affect last years championship because LH still finished 3rd and massa out of the points.
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I can understand people assuming Renault’s guilt. You’d think if they’re not guilty surely they’d at least contest the allegations the FIA presented, given how damaging they are. But, like said, we don't know everything, and probably never will.

I’ve never trusted the Symonds Flav partnership, it has lead to some of the more interesting rule breaking / twisting throughout the years, like the ’94 benetton, which effectively has TC. Removing the filters from the fuel re-fillers for the ‘94 season leading to the Verstappen fire. As Schumacher’s race engineer I find it difficult to believe Symonds wasn’t aware of these things, as they influenced race strategy so much. In recent years, as Renault, they’ve been found guilty of using McLaren’s intellectual property for their cars. As a director of engineering, you’d think he’d be aware (to an extent) of where his information/data is coming from.

This, to me, is why I call him as well as Flav dodgy characters.
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I think it will be strikingly similar to the way McLaren only got a slap on the wrist because Ron Dennis left.

Renault are surely hoping for the same.

I can't believe Max has managed to take down both Dennis and Flav before he lost out himself! Sweet revenge!
The difference between this and Dennis leaving, is that Dennis didn't laeve because of the that situation. We all knew in the middle of the previous year that Dennis mentioned leaving when Hamilton won the championship.

There's been no sign of Flav leaving Renault at all.
Mainly because he's obviously be forced to leave by renault, rather than them sack him.

Flav should never be allowewd to run an F1 team again. He should stick to managing drivers, not teams. Look how much trouble he's been in before for cheating... and nearly costing Verstappen his life (as well his pit crew) when his car burst into flames at hockenheim due to the team fiddling with the refuelling rig to get fuel to flow faster!
At the end of the day, Symonds has done what he's been told to do by Flav. But the team should get some form of punishment, and Flav and Symonds get the fines.

Its all just a sorry state, once again for F1.
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Pat Symonds is one of the straightest guys going and has been with the team for 30 years in all its guises (toleman,benetton and Renault) I do feel he had alot of pressure put upon him from above, and as he has said it was Piquet that put the idea to him!
Also Max has got what he wanted now, no Ron or Flavio to argue against, what he was after all long
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What trouble has Flav been in before then Tel?

If there was anything significant surely he wouldn't be where he now?

Do you honestly think Flav even knows how a fuel rig works, let alone instructs guys how to tweak it? He was the guy that set the budgets, he has (had) no technical imput to the team at all.

One of my best mates was in that pit fire and he swears to me that the alleged tampering had nothing to do with causeing the spill, a notion that is backed up by the many other fuel spills (although none as disasterous) that happened in that era with the Intertechnique rigs.
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Good to see the back of Briatore (again) in my opinion, but he'll no doubt be back at some point to rake in more cash from the F1 business. Can't stand the guy, he's almost as incomprehensible as Raikkonen!

I feel for Fernando Alonso - if he really was unaware of this situation (and why would he have been aware), he's found himself embroiled in another contentious issue not of his making.

If anyone's sitting on a Renault contract for 2010 I bet they're feeling sick!
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