Cost of fuel/duty, Petition to No.10

[Lee]

I cant believe how people think paying 80%+ is not getting shafted

I have said it before, the UK is the cheapest place in the world to make fuel, we are very good at it

If we took 80 % off our fuel price we would only be paying 30pa litre ~

We are gettng shafted

We donteven get our oil from the north sea, the il that comes from the north sea maily goes to norway etc as maersk and statoil have major holdingsin the north sea, bp and shell paid companies to take groups of platforms off there hands.

Oil may be at its most expensive price ever but it has not gone up by 25% since the turn of the year

[DCM]

I think what agrevates is that oil companies do make an aweful lot of profit per annum, and it would be nice to see some of that passed on to the customer. As for the Tax on it, in the broader picture, we pay one of the highest, if not THE highest % of income back to the government, we just don't see it, as most is done by them slipping it out on goods and services...

Gordon Brown would not think twice about cutting fuel duty, it is too easy an income, like tax on fags and booze.... easy target.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

For you clowns who are brainwashed enough to argue that we are not being screwed, well, I am baffled. If oil was really a problem, then cars consume a fraction of what planes & ships do, and beyond that, the UK consumes far less than other developed countries who are not being screwed as much; USA, Australia and New Zealand for example.

I posted a link, not for a debate, but for those who wish to, to sign. Those who don't, don't. [full stop]

For the clowns who don't, go post your garbage elsewhere, its wasted here.

Free speech rocks, if you dont like it theres plenty of places in the world where its frowned upon (& some of them have REALLY cheap fuel!)

PS. Re "Clowns"...Polititians dont even wipe on petitions. Sending a petition to a politican is like sending a happy meal to bin laden.

[Doomanic]

And therein lies the problem with our political system.
MP's are supposed to speak for their constituents but once in power pay nothing but lip service and do just the hell what they want.

Also, there is no provision for free speech in UK law.

[andys]

Signed it Chris.

Fed up of rip off Britain, I reckon i'd emigrate if the missus was up for it !

I'm now looking for a new motor and am torn between economy and having something decent & quick. The thought of ever increasing fuel costs make it a very difficult choice, but I reckon I too will plump for something quick, maybe something silly as it could be the last opportunity I have to do so before we all have to run around in tiny diesels !

[purpletimbo]

Compromise, but don't really, I Taxi, and fuel is a bigger problem for us than most, as we can't choose to do without it, and our fares are set by the council, so when it goes up, we just have to accept the loss. I replaced mine this year, with a Mitsubishi diesel, 130ps goes like stink if you push the turbo, but does 1,000 miles for £122 on taxiing, which is the worst fuel scenario, stop start all day, it cost a chunk more than I would normally pay, but sneaks into the £115 a year tax band as it has low emissions
I love fast cars, my day car used to be a 5.3 jag but no more I am afraid, just can't afford fuel.
Until something changes, we will have to adapt or sink.
PS I had already signed it, and the last one years ago!

[Chrislong]

In terms of car choice (previous thread I started in this section): may I recommend the BMW 1 series diesels.

The 118d is high on BHP and performance is quite impressive, especially compared to the VW Bluemotion and Ford Focus Tdci, yet MPG is excellent and it is in tax band B, which means £35 per year tax, and free in congestion zones!

Although, this is only on Post Sept 2007 models, therefore looking at £23k for a well spec'd new one, or £18k (if lucky) on a second hand one. So this is still not a viable option for me either.... ... car manufacturers are starting to develop car which or lower on emmissions but unfortunatley it'll be a few years when depreciation has run its cause will I be able to afford one in reality. (That battery operated sports car: the Tesla, I hope this technology reachs all car types!! its FAST)

Ive been considering my options for weeks now, and come to the conclusion to stick with the car I have for another year or two, and modify it a little to keep me from getting the bug for buying something different. Maybe when i can afford a 2nd hand 118d I will then change, or maybe not.

Chris

[Jamie B4]

Chris - totally agree and cant even start to understand anyone fighting the governments cause - they will soon change when you cant do something because of the cost involved - this should have been sorted when we broke the £1 mark. The companies should be undercutting for the business not going with the flow!

[telboy]

As soon as people are forced to stop using cars then the public transport will become stupidly expesive to travel on. So for all you people who are all for using public transport, we are keeping your travelling cost low.
Once public transport have the monopoly, watch the prices hike up!!

As for the gov. 'needing' tax money......
Maybe if they paid for the their 'second' homes out their own pocket instead of using 'our' taxes for it, then maybe taxes on some things could be lowered. Theres load of wasted money that the gov. takes from our taxes that could be better spent, or just not taken in the first place.

Millennium dome anyone? What a waste of 30odd million that was.

Ok I know fuel companies are there to make profits, as most companies are. But when there are the problems with fuel costs that we are having now, surely the gov. needs to step in and say "Hey, you made record profits last year, and we're getting grief from the public and haulage companies are going out of business (which they are), you need to do something about it!"

[ashleyb4]

Originally Posted by Danny

PS. Re "Clowns"...Polititians dont even wipe on petitions. Sending a petition to a politican is like sending a happy meal to bin laden.

Its like digging the grand canyon with a tea spoon who ever dug that thing anyway?

A

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by ashleyb4

Its like digging the grand canyon with a tea spoon who ever dug that thing anyway?

A

They used a Spork.

[CBRDEAN0]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

In the same time our petrol has gone from 80-ish p per litre to 115p, US petrol has gone from $2 to almost $4 - equivalent to us paying 160p per litre, and they pay almost zero tax on their petrol - so how does that make them screwed less than we are?

The US fuel has much less duty on it so they are more closely linked to the rising price of oil.
Even at $4 a gallon (£2.10) - or 54.4p per litre - they are paying less than half the price we are.

Brown and his merry men are making a fortune at the moment.
Our export oil is the same price as the imported oil. - more revenue.
They are getting extra duty on the increased price of the oil.
And then they get even more duty when the oil is converted to fuel and sold to the stations.
Finally - they get extra VAT when we buy the fuel.

I think the general principal at the moment is to screw up the country to a point where the next party can not possibly recover it in one term.

[telboy]

I think the general principal at the moment is to screw up the country to a point where the next party can not possibly recover it in one term

My sentiments exactly.!!

[Col]

Originally Posted by CBRDEAN0

$4 a gallon (£2.10) - or 54.4p per litre -

Glad someone pointed that out to slowone...

[Danny]

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[big air]

Originally Posted by CBRDEAN0

The US fuel has much less duty on it so they are more closely linked to the rising price of oil.
Even at $4 a gallon (£2.10) - or 54.4p per litre - they are paying less than half the price we are.

Brown and his merry men are making a fortune at the moment.
Our export oil is the same price as the imported oil. - more revenue.
They are getting extra duty on the increased price of the oil.
And then they get even more duty when the oil is converted to fuel and sold to the stations.
Finally - they get extra VAT when we buy the fuel.

I think the general principal at the moment is to screw up the country to a point where the next party can not possibly recover it in one term.

Yep i would happily pay 54.4p per litre but thats at the most expensive end most in the us are under 50p a litre and the americans are fuming over it.
imagine if they had to pay what we do I think they would all just fill up and leave. In fact i think we should all do that they can't put us all in jail

[telboy]

Good to see that the haulage companies are finally doing something about it.