Kidderminster National - May 12th + 13th 2007.

[Southwell]

I think gettin rid of some of the huge puddles that had come up should have been done just so people who decided to go out late in the round had a chance of finishing. I had my car fully waterproofed yet a tiny drop of water got into the receiver and it was game over. The round before i ran none and finished no problem, sods law i guess but just looking at my poor car trying to push itself through those puddles you could tell they were deep and caused massive drag.

[super__dan]

4wd I was 10th in the D with my round 2 score, one I hope to drop. I'm not claiming this supports my post however.

[Chrislong]

I think if track sweeping was to be allowed mid round (which I agree would be a good thing), then it must be done between every heat, so no single heat has a worse track than any other....

These forums don't half give the power for rants, which then need to be replied to, debated and argued before others start agreeing with wrong opinions (waste of key presses in my opinion, but hey, I was there and now the topic has come up want to respond(thanks Chris)). We've all been hard done by at times, but lets just accept that perhaps Kiddy was your time, next time you might get a gift of a round and then you won't complain, or will you? Perhaps when YOU get the gift someone else will be ranting, could be me..... afterall this is why the heat formation jiggles about isn't it?

Surely these topics (i.e.rants) are not what forums were intended for. We have drivers reps, BRCA committee, and other means of questioning situations.

Chris

[Chrislong]

Guys, who is going to propose for the AGM the track maintenance, but not layout changes, to be allowed mid round. Ofcause if maintenance to be performed it must be consistent maintenance for each heat to cope with the deterioration...

I personally think the heat jiggling copes with this, so I won't propose.

[millzy]

maybe my rant is out of place then and i should speak to the brca about this

[spenner]

As one of the people who had my own 'Rant' earlier in this forum i would like to say.
I have no problem with the rotating heats etc.... that gives everyone a chance.
The BRCA do the greatest job in the world, which gives us the best Nats in the world. My reason for saying what i said was down to 1 reason, and that was i personally felt the wrong decision was made with regard running the 2nd round.
Yes people have said it would have cancelled the meeting!! So what ???
There are other ways to collect scores, there aren't any other ways to repair damaged goods.
Some people have said use waterproof speedo's and that is a pretty lame answer, also waterproofing speedo's which i did but it only takes one drop!!
Another point mentioned was some people wouldn't have attended enough meetings if it was cancelled, so what we are saying now is the Nationals are accepting to many entries ??

There was also the safety aspect which was very dangerous.

I wasn't looking for reply's and i don't really see this as a bad thing, these are experiences that in the future could be looked at.
A note has been passed to the BRCA with some points from the Kiddy national so it's not just talk on here.

Role on Bury Metro, gonna purchase a hovercraft for future wet events

[millzy]

meeting cancelled or not , most of us are not counting kiddy as a score.

Originally Posted by spenner

As one of the people who had my own 'Rant' earlier in this forum i would like to say.
I have no problem with the rotating heats etc.... that gives everyone a chance.
The BRCA do the greatest job in the world, which gives us the best Nats in the world. My reason for saying what i said was down to 1 reason, and that was i personally felt the wrong decision was made with regard running the 2nd round.
Yes people have said it would have cancelled the meeting!! So what ???
There are other ways to collect scores, there aren't any other ways to repair damaged goods.
Some people have said use waterproof speedo's and that is a pretty lame answer, also waterproofing speedo's which i did but it only takes one drop!!
Another point mentioned was some people wouldn't have attended enough meetings if it was cancelled, so what we are saying now is the Nationals are accepting to many entries ??

There was also the safety aspect which was very dangerous.

I wasn't looking for reply's and i don't really see this as a bad thing, these are experiences that in the future could be looked at.
A note has been passed to the BRCA with some points from the Kiddy national so it's not just talk on here.

Role on Bury Metro, gonna purchase a hovercraft for future wet events

[emzy]

Most of us can't count Kiddy as a score, its so low. But people who are only doing 4 rounds and have to use it - well they're a bit buggered aren't they.

If the meeting had been cancelled (before completion of round 2), couldn't they have just reduced the meeting requirement for the series to 3 of 5, thus eliminating the problem of having to have done a 4th event?

[spenner]

Depends who you mean by us ????
There will be quite a few who will be counting it as a score !!!

[Northy]

Hello, you all seem to have missed my post about sweeping the track at Batley in the past, I am SURE this had happened hasn't it?

I think the rule needs proposing, let common sense prevail!

G

[spenner]

If anyone watched the cactus classic we could do what they do, marshalls straight out broom each and 'sweep'.
we could have finished the whole meeting sunday if that was allowed !!
The possibilities are endless, for everything else there is mastercard.

random end of the working day crap!!!!

[jimmy]

Imagine how much more that track would have cost you tho spenner! 700 wishbones later.........

[Cockerill]

What happens when heat 12 (F5's) are sweeping the track clear for the next heat, but due to possibly some inexperienced F5's they actually make the racing line worse for the next heat (Heat 1, F1's).

I think track sweeping has been done before at Tiverton, and it actually made the track worse at times as dust was left on the line (Might have been the Euro's).

Whose going to sweep the track every time and make sure it is consistent?

Do we have time between races for marshals to swap and the track to be swept (Considering we are already finishing very late)?

What if a hole appears, does that get filled in after every heat? Again do we have the time?

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

What happens when heat 12 (F5's) are sweeping the track clear for the next heat, but due to their inexperience actually make the racing line worse for the next heat (Heat 1, F1's).

I think track sweeping has been done before at Tiverton, and it actually made the track worse at times as dust was left on the line (Might have been the Euro's).

Whose going to sweep the track every time and make sure it is consistent?

Do we have time between races for marshals to swap and the track to be swept (Considering we are already finishing very late)?

What if a hole appears, does that get filled in after every heat? Again do we have the time?

Which is why the jiggly heats work

[Stu]

Once again Tom is the voice of reason.

The rule book is a bit like a baloon, when you sqeeze it in one place it just bubbles out in another.

Rules are always a compromise, do the ones we have currently make the best of all possible circumstances, while maybe not being perfect for any?

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by spenner

Some people have said use waterproof speedo's and that is a pretty lame answer,

sorry just don't understand how on earth you can call this lame?,
there made for a reason the reason being rain it rained sunday no brainer really!
i wouldnt have gone out in those condition's using a standard esc and if i did and if my non waterproof esc had gone pop then it would have been more fool me for running it in those condition's!

[Northy]

Did the track get swept at a Batley meeting in the past or did I dream it?

[ashleyb4]

No offence tom but thats a bit harsh. I think you should phrase it as Unexperianced F5's Cus not all f5's are useless. A perfect example of that is stan he is very high up in the standings and he is only a f5.

A

Originally Posted by Cockerill

What happens when heat 12 (F5's) are sweeping the track clear for the next heat, but due to their inexperience actually make the racing line worse for the next heat (Heat 1, F1's).

I think track sweeping has been done before at Tiverton, and it actually made the track worse at times as dust was left on the line (Might have been the Euro's).

Whose going to sweep the track every time and make sure it is consistent?

Do we have time between races for marshals to swap and the track to be swept (Considering we are already finishing very late)?

What if a hole appears, does that get filled in after every heat? Again do we have the time?

[woOdy]

Another thing about weekend at Kiddy is the rule of walking off the rostrom before the race has finished. Is the rule that you loose that round or your best time? Please let me know because if its you loose that round then the rule is null and void.

[ashleyb4]

Yea i think this rule should be inforced in my heat i was the heat after alot of the top drivers including yourself stu and alot of the younger lads where going up onto the rostrum before the race was over. Also the rule about talking on the rostrum should be inforced as i found out in my final it is very very annoying and off putting.

A