Kidderminster National - May 12th + 13th 2007.

[emzy]

Originally Posted by Bathy

I do feel that when the commentator is announcing that 50/60% of cars are not finishing their heats then maybe its time to announce the track unsafe/unusable... but hey its was only the crappy drivers left at the end of the day (I speak for myself on that one).

I have to say... I wholeheartedly agree with you Mr Bathy.

It was ridiculous... 30% finish rates. I don't think the last few heats would have been run had it been the "traditional" heat arrangement...

But alas... whinging'll do no good now!

Bathy's getting nervous because no one's commenting on his video...!!!

[Northy]

Originally Posted by mw02veg

[MK999]

I thought i was the only one with a chest flatter than a pancake, i'm not alone !

[Bathy]

Originally Posted by emzy

Bathy's getting nervous because no one's commenting on his video...!!!

It's ok, 698 views... I get the message... its pooh , different music next time me thinks!

[bigred5765]

we want to be able to down load it and watch at our own leasure

[MattW]

Well, in the other examples of wet meetings that have been mentioned on previous pages, the heat order was conventional. It has always (as far as i can remember) gone through to the end of the round. I know i've been cought and blown a speedo at least once.

The results for 4wd don't seem to be correct - there doesn't seem to be a listing that only takes the best single round. Or at least there wasn't when i looked at it last night -0 haven't checked today! The trackside printout always only looks at one round after 2 rounds - if that makes sense.

[Body Paint]

MATT, that's what I always thought.. but the list on the BRCA site is the site are the same as what was on the board at Kiddy.

I'm confused

[super__dan]

Em I don't think that's fair. At Telford I (F1 heats) drove and marshalled in the rain/hail, I don't think anyone is given preferential treatment in that respect.

[Northy]

I remeber a few years ago having a little 'break' mid round, while it rained which just so happened to be before the top heats raced so it HAS happened in the past.

Also, whats all this about the track cannot be touched mid round? So does that mean the results of previous Batley meetings are not valid where the track was been swept?

G

[jimmy]

KIDDERMINSTER 4WD NATIONAL - CLARIFICATION OF RESULTS.

Due to circumstances beyond our control, the results of the 4WD National at
Kidderminster as shown on the BRCA website are not complete.
Those that attended, will know that due to heavy rain the event had to be
concluded at the end of Round 2.

The Off-Road Section rules state :- If Finals are not completed, then
Championship points for the event are awarded on qualifying positions, providing
a minimum of two Qualifying Rounds are completed.
Using the Round-by-Round Qualifying system, if only two Qualifying Rounds are
completed, then each drivers SINGLE best Round score is used to determine the
overall Qualifying positions at the end of the Second Round.

When Round 2 was completed, the computer printed the correct results, counting
each drivers best SINGLE score.
When we printed further copies, the software added the positions from both
Rounds together. This is not the correct result.
Due to some unknown working of the software, we are not able to go back to the
original print and the only correct copy available was retained by the
Timekeeper to manually update the points for the event and the overall
Championship points.

We felt that it was important to publish the only event results that could be
accessed onto the website, so that competitors could see their individual Round
positions, even though the overall positions for the event are not correct.
NOTE :- Points for the Kidderminster event that are shown in the overall
Championship positions have been complied manually and are correct.
(The 2WD event on the Saturday was not affected and the results on the website
are correct).

Some drivers may not realise that having a SINGLE best score of 36th. in one of
the two Rounds does not result in that driver achieving 36th position in the
overall position for the event. In most cases, two different drivers achieved
an equal best position from the two Rounds, which means that the times were used
to decide the 'tied points' position. As an example:- 36th. in Round 2 gave an
overall position for the event of 46th., because of the number of drivers that
were on equal positions from the two Rounds.

The organisers of Kidderminster Club are truly sorry that the weather intervened
and caused the 4WD event to be curtailed, and hope that it will not dampen the
enthusiasm for drivers to return to Kidderminster in the future.

Best regards,

Paul Worsley. (Chairman, BRCA Off-Road Section).

[millzy]

I have to say that I was quite annoyed on 4wd meeting, being in heat 12 I had the worst track and the fact my heat was full of good f2 and we where fighting like crazy to beat the times set was a joke, I drove just to finish.

Ok round 1 was not that bad there was water and a few puddles on the track but it was drivavle apart from the huge one on the edge of the sweeper , I hit it flat out and the car just slowed right down every lap from the standing water there was NO line to avoid it and after 7laps my car stoped.

Round 2 was even worse surly when the top car in heat one slows down due to what looked like water even with the track change then the meeting should have been changed/stop postponed or something- after marshalling heat one and watching the mid west team sweep like crazy I have to say I was utterly annoyed with what I AND MY HEAT had to drive for round 2, the puddles where huge and threw was no way I could believe that other drivers had to deal with the huge puddle aquapaling and tyres being ripped off . when my car stopped AGAIN- I was asked what my intentions where for round 3 as the heat finished and my word where- packing up why should I blow my gear just to TRY and keep up with the drivers who got a better track.

I still have to pay for my stuff its not all free and realy i would have liked to see the top boys get the bad heat and not me, they get it all for free and could make up the points droped at another meetings or with there skill elvel not have been that far of the pace, where as us " nobodys" have to fight like cray now and beat the randoms who where on a better track befor us.

[Southwell]

Yes i saw the sweeping too, i do think that if the track was swept in bad parts for even a minute between heats then it wouldn't have been half as bad for us last heaters and i would have had a final points score reletive to the pace i had....

[losixxx]

sorry chris don't agree with some of what you say, the heat orders were changed to the current format a few years ago to stop the f1/f2's getting the better track condition. changing the heat orders around is the only fair way to do it, unfortunatly this time you came off worse than most. however i was in heat 9 so near enough as bad a track as you but i still managed to improve my first round time by some 12 seconds (yes the tarmac banking helped)i too pay for my equipment and it was my choice to run knowing the risk's but i run waterproof esc so was happy to go out.
i think running the 2 rounds was the best solution as there would be no way of rescheduling the meeting and people only do ing 4 rounds needed the points.

personally i really enjoyed racing in the 2nd round, i could rag the arse off the car and not have to worry about my braking point's as the puddles slowed the car down. thought the grip was far better than when track was just damp

[millzy]

Chris, I know you where in a heat close to mine, but i have 2 qestions one where did you get the water proof reciver and xtals?

second do you think than in the conditions we had that the club should change the heat fromat to the "normal" configuration to make thing even with the times ?


i understand the two round had to be run and thats fine, and im fully awear that its my own risk to run my car in the rain, im sorry but making it super hard for f5/f4/f3 and the f2s who have enougth pace on and equal track to match some f1s is unfair , its har d enought to try and get a good time and again a lincence upgrade as it is, but to try and do it on swimming pool is solid.

if lee martin has enougt inisative to place a bump in the bomb hole of his track so driver dont have to hit a water feature then sulrly the brca can do the same!! any thing would have bene better that to hit a frekeing lake

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by millzy

Chris, I know you where in a heat close to mine, but i have 2 qestions one where did you get the water proof reciver and xtals?

second do you think than in the conditions we had that the club should change the heat fromat to the "normal" configuration to make thing even with the times ?


i understand the two round had to be run and thats fine, and im fully awear that its my own risk to run my car in the rain, im sorry but making it super hard for f5/f4/f3 and the f2s who have enougth pace on and equal track to match some f1s is unfair , its har d enought to try and get a good time and again a lincence upgrade as it is, but to try and do it on swimming pool is solid.

if lee martin has enougt inisative to place a bump in the bomb hole of his track so driver dont have to hit a water feature then sulrly the brca can do the same!! any thing would have bene better that to hit a frekeing lake

spektrum and lots of bluetac m8 worked a treat..

why should the club change just to help the top guy's? it should be the same for everyone. next meeting you should be in higher heat would you be happy if it rained and they changed it so the f5's had the best track?

not eveyone can be happy all the time, i had a good day perhaps thats why i see it from a different view to you but the shoe could so easily been on the other foot

[millzy]

damm it CML dont od that reciver wonder if they do the bluetack what the part number

ok how about this, 2wd heat 3... the heat it rained it.. time 55th in the round round2. rain again, round 3 rain more round 4 no rain in my heat track dry 39th in the round... i think i know what your saying and yes i am on a rant but really am i the only one who thinks the brca could have done more to make it even/ or the track more procentable for the last heats.??

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by millzy

damm it CML dont od that reciver wonder if they do the bluetack what the part number

ok how about this, 2wd heat 3... the heat it rained it.. time 55th in the round round2. rain again, round 3 rain more round 4 no rain in my heat track dry 39th in the round... i think i know what your saying and yes i am on a rant but really am i the only one who thinks the brca could have done more to make it even/ or the track more procentable for the last heats.??

i reckon you should just blame the ref's, heard one of them singing in the morning thinks thats why the heaven's opened

it would be difficult to say sweep the track after heat 8 or 9 for the later heats as whats stopping the drivers of heat 7 saying thats unfair! perhaps the best thing would have been to cancel the meeting first thing but then nobody would have been happy. i think they made the correct decision with the option's/rule's available to them

[super__dan]

Originally Posted by millzy

second do you think than in the conditions we had that the club should change the heat fromat to the "normal" configuration to make thing even with the times ?

Chris,

I just can't believe what you're asking. I cannot see any justification for deliberatly giving F1 heats the worst track conditions to even things up. This would give a biased steer (theoretically) to the results knocking F1's down, why, how is that fair? I see the nationals as being ultra competetive from top to bottom, we're all fighting our corner.

As an aside, what if it had stopped half way through that round, and dried up and the track got faster, I bet you wouldn't have complained then. Remember OJ last year, he had a right gift from this very circumstance at Kiddie as I remember it!

You can't make any judgement calls on this, the rules are rules, end of.

[super__dan]

Oh to add though sweeping puddles away mid round would seem a good idea to me, I'm not suggesting that would be a bad thing.

I assume that comes down to our rules about not making ANY track alterations mid round, though in this case I would think it was maintaining the status quo rather than improving the track.

[millzy]

what score did you get dan? and how bad was the track for your heat?

you might as wle be honest as you are very against my post