Team Losi Racing '22'- New 2WD buggy

[GRIFF55]

drill an extra hole in the cr2 chassis and thats another that will run rear motor configuration also!

[Legacy555]

Originally Posted by RogerM

Forget the idlers ... far too small in mass to have a major effect over the other components listed!

It is all about the rotation of the top shaft.

External idler

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, topshaft, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

both idler gears

4 gear internal

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, 1st idler, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

topshaft, 2nd idler


Quite a bit of mass in the topshaft assmebly ....

If it doesn't make sense draw a quick picture .... I will try to later if I can get it to upload.

Ahh yes!! So if we take the layshaft assembly and the diff as the major rotational components;

In the 4 gear gearbox setup their rotational moment is subtracted from each other - as the two assemblies are rotating in different directions.

In the idler setup, the rotational forces are added - as the two assemblies are roatating in the same direction.

Food for thought Roger! Thanks

[Delves]

Originally Posted by RogerM

Anybody know when the first public run is by the team? Will it be Petit / BWOC or not until the car is available?

I would really like to look over one, always liked the design solutions Losi use, very creative. Shame I have never got on with the handling of the cars but I do admire the "think outside of the box" designs.

First public run is this weekend at Taplow. Bit of a baptism of fire though as Si and Darren havent run the car nor has it been run on carpet! Fingers crossed it will go well for our guys.

The first showing in public was meant to be last weekend at EPR but the weather put pays to that!

[sly]

Any price list or ideas on prices of the spares yet?

[Rocking Donkey]

Check the DMS website, most of the spares and prices are already listed. The prices all seem pretty good to me.

Ben

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by sly

Any price list or ideas on prices of the spares yet?

Go onto DMS http://www.dms-racing.com/ and search for twenty under Losi.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Holeshot

Go onto DMS http://www.dms-racing.com/ and search for twenty under Losi.

Or type "Twenty Two" in the search with no brand and any aftermarket parts as they come about will appear too from other brands

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

Or type "Twenty Two" in the search with no brand and any aftermarket parts as they come about will appear too from other brands

Didn't know aftermarket parts for it were out already. Kit still has a few months before it hits shelves.

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by Holeshot

Didn't know aftermarket parts for it were out already. Kit still has a few months before it hits shelves.

They're not yet, but some are already planned and in the making by several companies with more to follow I am sure and the search I mentioned will find ALL "22" parts rather than those just in our our Losi section

[Holeshot]

Check out this new lipo battery that will be out the same time the 22 is out.

Today’s race vehicles crave and desire all the power that you can throw at them but sometimes battery space on the chassis can be limited. Saddle packs can offer the flexibility to arrange your power source into different configurations but not always exactly what you need. Thanks to the size of this 7.4V 3800mAh 2S2P LiPo battery pack, chassis placement and tuning options are in your control. As the perfect power source for the Team Losi Racing 22 Buggy (TLR0022) in either rear-motor or mid-motor configuration, it will also be right at home in any 1/10-scale electric application. Chassis tuning can be obtained by positioning the battery either to the front or the back in a standard size battery tray with optional foam blocks to adjust the weight distribution.

Features

Unique size dimensions for multiple application types
60C continuous discharge rating
In-board 4mm gold bullet connectors
Pre-wired XH balance connector included
Allows for multiple mounting and configuration options

Product Specifications

Type:LiPo
Capacity:3800mAh
Voltage:7.4V
Number of Cells:2S
Weight:7.07oz (200.5g)
Configuration:2S2P
Length:95.9mm (3.78")
Width:46.9mm (1.85")
Height:24.7mm (0.97")
Maximum Continuous Discharge :60C
Maximum Continuous Current :228A

http://losi.com/Products/Features.aspx?ProdId=LOSB9880

[racingdwarf]

Looks good $109 on special, my saddles may stay for a bit longer

[russmini]

Thats pretty cool

The only downside i can see is that it is longer than saddle's side by side and there looks like there definitely would not be any room in front of it for a speedo.

Think i'll stay with getting a new Saddle Pack when my 22 arrives

[brookie]

Originally Posted by russmini

The only downside i can see is that it is longer than saddle's side by side and there looks like there definitely would not be any room in front of it for a speedo.

Sorry disagree, the saddles fit end-to-end so have and overall length of circa. 138mm, check out here:

http://domain3190026.sites.fasthosts...0v1%20pdf6.pdf

the new Losi pack is ONLY 95.9mm long! Having seen it in the 22 I can very definitely confirm that it will either give more chassis tuning opportunities with battery placement or much more space in front of the battery.

[Holeshot]

Originally Posted by brookie

Sorry disagree, the saddles fit end-to-end so have and overall length of circa. 138mm, check out here:

http://domain3190026.sites.fasthosts...0v1%20pdf6.pdf

the new Losi pack is ONLY 95.9mm long! Having seen it in the 22 I can very definitely confirm that it will either give more chassis tuning opportunities with battery placement or much more space in front of the battery.

[russmini]

Originally Posted by brookie

Sorry disagree, the saddles fit end-to-end so have and overall length of circa. 138mm, check out here:

http://domain3190026.sites.fasthosts...0v1%20pdf6.pdf

the new Losi pack is ONLY 95.9mm long! Having seen it in the 22 I can very definitely confirm that it will either give more chassis tuning opportunities with battery placement or much more space in front of the battery.

They fit side by side in the 22. And if you look at at the pic of the buggy where the 2 options are side by side. The one with the Saddles definitely has more space in front of the LiPo...

[Gnarly Old Dog]

One of the advantages of the 96mm battery is that it can enable you to be a little bit more creative with your whole electronics install and thus gives you a bit more freedom to tune your weight displacement as you see fit.

This is my install - as I ran it at Taplow. It took an TC racer with OCD to figure it out for me cos he hated the long motor wires.

It might look a little bit unconventional for a buggy - but hey, 3 years ago most of us thought the motor looked weird when that was placed in front of the rear axles and now look at us

Not only does it allow the wiring to be a little neater, it also gives a little bit more space laterally because the front of the chassis is narrowed slightly by the front bulkhead / servo mount brace and it's tricky to fit the castle MMP and the Spektrum receiver side by side although even that is possible as my 2nd photo will hopefully demonstrate. I took this on during the initial build to show that the MMP would fit underneath the bodyshell - even with the fan installed.

Anyway - hope this helps.

Andy

[GRIFF55]

looked like a lovely size lipo at taplow! great idea.

[colmo]

A new market in stubby lipos is born!

Clubs with lenient battery rules could allow a custom A123 Li-Fe pack - 4 x 2300 mah cells (2s2p) arranged side by side down the middle of the chassis.

Each one measures 65mm x 26mm making a pack size around 65mm x 104mm.

P.S. That stubby Xcelerin pack is exactly what I need for my custom BJ2 conversion - just a little more slender that 2 saddles arranged like above. Perfect!

[Gayo]

That "new" size lipo is a great idea, who needs 6000+mAh anyway when racing 5mn mains?

I don't know for you but it feels a little like cheating to me. Don't get me wrong, I know a smaller than standard lipo is allowed by rules, but seeing alternative manufacturers (X-Factory, AC) reinventing the wheel to have the best mid motor layout, only to find Losi basically creating a new cell standard for their new car... it feels somehow unfair.

(Sorry if the above is not very clear, that's too much english for my skills I'm afraid )

It opens a whole new field of possible layouts, bring on slim cars! Kudos for that

[OldTimer]

Will they be BRCA legal for 2011 ? hope so.