mk racing indoor gp 16th dec

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by c0sie

Maybe its peoples perceptions of the current flat racing that is the issue here?

Maybe so many people are used to small jumps..and have never had experience of such big jumps?

You'd like to hope that atleast one person went away from the event having never tackled a big jump or crazy cross over before..drooling at the thought of doing it again

Embrace new directions..jumps are the way forwards...or upwards in this case

Chris ....... your right with the first and second point for sure .... can you imagine those sort of jumps at Gloucester or Dudley?? Your also correct about the third point but don't dismiss the fact there will probalby be a similar number going away thinking "had a crap day .... never going there again" ..... which would be a hell of a shame when you consider how good the rest of the track was.

As for you closing remark ... totally.

[_JP_]

BIG jumps, did I miss somthing they were all small, ok the table top was big

Now proline thats what I called BIG jumps, ha that was awesome to race on and an experience I enjoyed, hard but again get it right and it was awesome!
Pitty I wont be racing again there, but thats nothing to do with DXR or the track, just a long story.........

Originally Posted by c0sie

Maybe its peoples perceptions of the current flat racing that is the issue here?

Maybe so many people are used to small jumps..and have never had experience of such big jumps?

You'd like to hope that atleast one person went away from the event having never tackled a big jump or crazy cross over before..drooling at the thought of doing it again

Embrace new directions..jumps are the way forwards...or upwards in this case

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by _JP_

Roger, if you get the 8th out you could practice at Frankley I know they have jumps not sure how "electric friendly" frankley is. I suppose I could get my Hongnor out again!

As much as I don't really enjoy the 8th, you have to say one thing the tracks are good and fun with jumps, were supposed to be OFF ROAD racers and the amount of tracks I have been to that are flat is shocking.

Guys it don't matter how good a track you design or make some one will moan and not like it.

JP ... exactly why I went 8th in the first place!!! Main reason I have gone back to electric is that without a pit buddy it's damn hard work and more like a job than a fun days racing!
Jumping a gasser and an electric buggy are different things though, react so diffrently to throttle in the air and snapping the throttle on the kicker!

JP also loved the Harper Adams tracks .... even if the one I raced at put me in hospital for 3 days due to fumes


Think of our 1/10th outdoor tracks (please note ... for reference not a dig in any way ....)

Dudley (flat grass),

Worcester (flat grass with a few features),

Telford Hot Tracks (flat grass on a bank),

Telford MMC (anything but flat grass but still not air time),

Kiddy (loads of surface changes and features but if you get more than a couple of inches under your tires you in big doo-doo),

Oswestry (flat grass mainly),

Stoke (flat grass),

Coventry (astro with a pair of doubles usually in the middle of a straight section towards or away from the rostrum at about 90degs) and so on.....

Now that list may be out of date by a couple of years ... you'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong JP.

And before any of the members of the above clubs linch me I must point out I have had brilliant days at all of them over the years and I also understand the grief building good jumps into temp tracks is ... have helped run an indoor club in the past. Taking all the stuff to and from an event is a nighmare ... even before you consider storing it all between meetings and the fact that only about 2 people ever seem to show up / stay behind to help!!!!



Thinking about all my fav off-road tracks

Batley, Bury Metro, Stotfold (ok Kiddy still makes me smile loads too)

almost enough to make me want to move house to be in a different region!

The boys tup-norf and south mids / south east don't know our pain .... LOL


I have a plan ... why don't we kidnap Pidge and Nick make them build us a track too

[bert digler]

Originally Posted by RogerM

JP ... exactly why I went 8th in the first place!!! Main reason I have gone back to electric is that without a pit buddy it's damn hard work and more like a job than a fun days racing!
Jumping a gasser and an electric buggy are different things though, react so diffrently to throttle in the air and snapping the throttle on the kicker!

JP also loved the Harper Adams tracks .... even if the one I raced at put me in hospital for 3 days due to fumes


Think of our 1/10th outdoor tracks (please note ... for reference not a dig in any way ....)

Dudley (flat grass),

Worcester (flat grass with a few features),

Telford Hot Tracks (flat grass on a bank),

Telford MMC (anything but flat grass but still not air time),

Kiddy (loads of surface changes and features but if you get more than a couple of inches under your tires you in big doo-doo),

Oswestry (flat grass mainly),

Stoke (flat grass),

Coventry (astro with a pair of doubles usually in the middle of a straight section towards or away from the rostrum at about 90degs) and so on.....

Now that list may be out of date by a couple of years ... you'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong JP.

Thinking about all my fav off-road tracks

Batley, Bury Metro, Stotfold (ok Kiddy still makes me smile loads too)

almost enough to make me want to move house to be in a different region!

The boys tup-norf and south mids / south east don't know our pain .... LOL


I have a plan ... why don't we kidnap Pidge and make him build us a track too

roger u made a point of telford hotrax being flat do you have a strange concept of flat i heard it being compared to the surface of the moon and when its hot humid you get chewed up by them midges

[MK Racing]

Roger,

I do get your point about the cross over, In practice I got it wrong & landed to the left of the down ramp missing a whole section of track out, but that is what the practice run is for, to find out how much power to give it on the approach to the jump. The slipery corner coming onto the crossover had no affect on the jump as you only had to roll onto the up ramp & give it a bit of throttle to clear & land on the down ramp. As I said before, I had customers at the meeting who had not raced before, we gave them advice on jumping, they took the advice, went out for there next run & hey presto, made the jump!!!

If you missed the jump & carried on cutting the track that would have been up to you. Crossovers are something differant, you cant have them at national for the reasons you pointed out, but this was not a national, it was a "fun" meeting.

I want to keep the crossover for the next meeting as per my previous post, but it will be in a differant part of the track & not just after the loop & will have a few feet more run off incase you over jump. But if more than 25% of the drivers who enter don't want it, then we may take the desision not to include it.

At the end of the day, it is all about fun & trying something differant

Marc

[tyreman]

I really enjoyed the track on Sunday very challenging, which is why I have not put a post up before now.
The only input I would like to put forward is maybe give an extra 1-2 foot runoff from the downslope of the double jumps, other than that the track was absolutley fine.

Most of the people who have in more than 1 post, critacised the features of the track are generally the ones who can't be arsed to give up a few hours to help with the layout/building of a track.

I understand why Lee and Nick have started to become more and more defensive over comments, as it really annoyed me when I gave up 2 days to help setup a track for one of the midwest regionals, only for dads who don't even race to start trying to pick faults, and demanding to have the track changed, if thats how they feel where were they when we asked for help.

So I totally agree with Nick and Lee's perspective.

[tyreman]

Originally Posted by RogerM

Dudley (flat grass),

Worcester (flat grass with a few features), No longer running

Telford Hot Tracks (flat grass on a bank), Not been there for 2-3 years

Telford MMC (anything but flat grass but still not air time), Again not been there this year

Kiddy (loads of surface changes and features but if you get more than a couple of inches under your tires you in big doo-doo),

Oswestry (flat grass mainly),

Stoke (flat grass), Unable to do too much with the track surface as it's not there ground

Coventry (astro with a pair of doubles usually in the middle of a straight section towards or away from the rostrum at about 90degs) and so on.....
With the exception of the 4 winter series meetings regionals and BRCA meeting are run on the grass track

Now that list may be out of date by a couple of years ... you'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong JP.

And before any of the members of the above clubs linch me I must point out I have had brilliant days at all of them over the years and I also understand the grief building good jumps into temp tracks is ... have helped run an indoor club in the past. Taking all the stuff to and from an event is a nighmare ... even before you consider storing it all between meetings and the fact that only about 2 people ever seem to show up / stay behind to help!!!!



Thinking about all my fav off-road tracks

Batley, Bury Metro, Stotfold (ok Kiddy still makes me smile loads too)

almost enough to make me want to move house to be in a different region!

The boys tup-norf and south mids / south east don't know our pain .... LOL


I have a plan ... why don't we kidnap Pidge and Nick make them build us a track too

Please see above ammendments

[markwilliamson2001]

Just to finish off from previous posts...

I thought the track 99% was excellent. I have been to sooo many meetings where the jumps were just chucked in with no thought, this one was NOT like that at all.

Andy and Team - Do another meeting, this was great 9.5/10 I am sure that it will be well attended. My only problem is not racing often enough, and with no tracks with real jumps that test the driver. They are mainly ramps/flat wood at an angle. You guys close to CML are really lucky. I am at least 45 minutes drive from any local 10th electric club, so do not race as often as I could, thus meaning I do not get the practice on tracks like this.

All the jumps at the MKGP could be seen for entry and landing (so you are not driving blind). They were also positioned well enough so that no jumping caused you to land on the start/finish straight (I have seen this too many times). The cross over was excellent in that it was not a 'tunnel' so again you didn't have to drive it blind (again I have seen stupid ideas like this at numerous meetings). 3 out of the 4 jumps you had the option to roll over should you wish to cop out on. No jumps were placed right on a corner (remember the Tivvy National a few years back??) The track markers were good (non-damaging) and the jumps materials themselves did not do any damage to any of the cars that I saw racing. The mix of grip was excellent and the straight was also long enough to open up our cars on.

My only point was that you could not roll the crossover, which caused me and a few others to jump a little too far, to make sure we got over it. We then collided gently with the track marker. This sometimes caused the plastic barrier (in the landing area) to move into the other jump's landing area. I only mentioned these things because they had the 'possibility' to ruin someone elses race! I am sure that the guys will take our comments on board for next time and it will be positioned a little better. For you first real big meeting it was superb. My thanks go out to your efforts on the meeting. Without the jumps, it would have been a flat, boring car track! I will also bring my coat!

Thanks guys for an interesting day.
Mark

[frogger]

Originally Posted by ginger fixit

guys
CROSS OVER STAYS

Best thing I've heard all day!!!

[RogerM]

Cheers Brian for setting me straight .... I knew somebody would!!! 3 years is a long time it would seem!!!

Do any of the venues now have jumps with full take off and landing slopes? I do hope they do.

I do hope the comment about not being bothered wasn't aimed at me Brian. I'd really like to get involved with a local club, I wish there was one! I've been looking for some ground to build a track but it is very hard to find anything around this way .... if it's more than 3 foot square they seem to build a house on it!!! I have heard that the Ledbury club is going to build a 1/10th off-road track and would be more than happy to offer them some help as that would be my closest club ..... only about 30 miles away according to route finder!!


Dert ..... I know what you mean, does cut up a little ... what I was trying to say was they don't have much in the way of true take off - landing slope type jumps there.

[rob8246]

Mark, thanks for the 9.5/10 score mate its much appreciated.

Myself and i'm sure most of the organisation team are getting tired now of the constant grizzling on this thread regarding the track layout.

A lot of people put their time into making this event happen.

Once again I would like to thank all the drivers who have given us positive feedback and i can assure you that the next meeting/s that we host will be bigger and better than the 1st!!

Oh, that means 2 cross-overs probably. LOL

Keep looking as details for the next event will be released very soon.

RR.

[RogerM]

As Nick (I think it was Nick anyway) suggested why not post up a few track designs, or at least the final one.
That way people could make up their minds before they go or indeed if they want to go at all. Would probably save a similar thread.

Just a suggestion......

As I have said before thanks for running a great meeting ..... for a 1st meeting I think the organisation was really good ..... seen many more experienced organisation teams make a major mush of it all. Shame about the timing issue but you did seem to be working really hard at that all day. Even with that the meeting flowed beautifully, for that you should all be very proud of your efforts.

I'll definately be back for the next ones ..... (With a bag of spares and body armour for marshalling of course .. )

[tyreman]

Originally Posted by RogerM

Cheers Brian for setting me straight .... I knew somebody would!!! 3 years is a long time it would seem!!!

Do any of the venues now have jumps with full take off and landing slopes? I do hope they do.

I do hope the comment about not being bothered wasn't aimed at me Brian. I'd really like to get involved with a local club, I wish there was one! I've been looking for some ground to build a track but it is very hard to find anything around this way .... if it's more than 3 foot square they seem to build a house on it!!! I have heard that the Ledbury club is going to build a 1/10th off-road track and would be more than happy to offer them some help as that would be my closest club ..... only about 30 miles away according to route finder!!


Dert ..... I know what you mean, does cut up a little ... what I was trying to say was they don't have much in the way of true take off - landing slope type jumps there.

Not you personally just in general.

Bloody well hope they've got a 1/10th track, as I heard they have a mid-west regional next year.

[AmiSMB]

I really enjoyed the track and returning back to some electric action. I used to race a Cat XLS and most of the races I did were flat and not what you would call proper offroad, in fact the only offroad action was at Rock Park in Barnstaple on some flat grass!

I have been racing 1/8th RallyCross for the past 3 years and have really enjoyed the racing and the technical jumps especially as I am lucky enough to live close to the Clanfield track. I have never ran my electric cars over such great jumps as I did on Sunday. I thought that I was not going to do well as I tried my old Cat around Clanfield in October and got a great surprise as I did not know how to jump as I was so used to nitro. I can now see how the jumps will help me improve in both 1/10th and 1/8th. I have no electric clubs near me so I drive 1 and a half hours to race at Newbury which has been getting better and better now that more offroaders have joined lateley.

I think that you will find if you do a search for videos on YouTube that you will find many people will get a model car and the first thing they will try to do is the biggest jump that they can to have some fun. Technology in these small cars has moved on so much that they can take alot more these days, my poor old Graupner Garbo, Kyosho Burns, Optima, Optima Mid, PB Maxima certainly would not last very long compared to the latest entry cars that are being sold today so the tracks should move with the times as well. So the more jumps the merrier is what I say. If you want some practise with a jump then go down to Argos and they do a kiddies skate board ramp which is perfect. I put one on my birthday list and my wife kindly got one for me.

At most races there are great people who are so willing to help out others no matter what experience level that it is this that will keep people coming back for more.

[RogerM]

Brian, cool ... best get on the phone to Doug and see what I can do to help then!!

[ginger fixit]

GUYS

COME ON THATS ENOUGH

we are going to give people an option if you dont want to jump then dont come.
Roger M i wont be expecting to see an entry next time as you have a big problem with taking a risk and most of us love to

see you all in the new year i hope lets leave this thread alone now we at newbury have had enough of being moaned at.

i raced 1/8th at south end and i hate the track it destroyed my cars many times over the 2 years i went there but i would never have asked them to change a feature because i couldnt do it, my god 3A racway had a double that put you on the straight if you hit in wrong no body asked them to change that.

to be honest we will build an ace track just come and enjoy it there is nothing like this in the south so please take it for what it is a good days racing and stop trying to tell us what needs changing.

if you can do better then please do i will come and race with you and break my car, but that is not the cars fault or the track its mine cos im rubbish i hope i have made my opinion known.


Andy Bell (fed up race controller)

[c0sie]

Dont get fed up champ, we love ya really!!

Cris

(Cya next time )

[Lee Martin]

keep going with it....i love the banter...makes my work day go quicker!!!!

[Wraggy]

Originally Posted by pidge

keep going with it....i love the banter...makes my work day go quicker!!!!

only because your bored sitting at your desk !!!!!
will see if i can find some amusment for you .

[Chris Green]

Andy, please don't get disheartened. I LOVED the track, as did all the hereford guys.

I'd enter again, just to race the same track. There obviously aren't enough jumps in 10th off-road, as there seems to be so many people that aren't used to them. keep them coming, and you can set the standard!


(Cris, Carl (Frogger) etc, I think us micro guys have been spoilt with our jumps in the micro scene!!!)