Original RC10 re-release

[neallewis]

Originally Posted by jimmy

Gonna see what we can do about that mate, hopefully some news soon. Everything standard - and no little hopups etc - keep it simple basic fun.

Sounds good Jimmy, mine is ordered and I would like to race it.

I think you'd want something akin to the old BRCA legal sealed Yokomo can 27T stock motor of yesteryear.

Kit built standard apart from things like bearings, and maybe a suitable tyre for UK tracks.

Brushless is the way to go, and maybe a 13.5t is a bit too fast, so 17.5t or 21.5t stock spec, with blinky mode (0 advance) timing on the ESC.

I know Schumacher do a core RC Blinky ESC/13.5 SP combo for not much money intended for 1S GT12 racing, but it works for 2S packs as well. That sort of thing would be fine, but say a 17.5 or 21.5. Infact any blinky mode ESC is fine and fair, along with a motor from the existing brca stock spec legal lists.

[jimmy]

I think my procat was from that time - it din't have 2.2" rims. I am not sure when they appeared but I don't think it was until the 90's from Yokomo - or am I mistaken.

[jimmy]

ESC's can make a big difference - and for sure it's common to cheat in stock classes. If we can get together something cheap that doesn't even allow timing, that might be good.

I have knobbly spike front rc10 sized tyres - no idea who made them but obviously to race they would have to be readily available. I don't think being glued to the track is all importat - if it's wet then for sure the cars would struggle but on dry astro they won't be too bad even with 20 year old design tyres.

[J'MM'N]

2.2" wheels first appeared at the 1989 worlds in Australia.

Before the worlds Masami and Yokomo had been testing at St Ives track in Australia and even returned home with dirt samples from the track. From this they developed the tyres and compound that would work on the track. Problem was IFMAR ruling stated that any tyre used at the worlds had to be commercially available. Tyres were made commercially available by Yokomo directly before the worlds started and Yokomo were even happy to give out the tyres at the worlds.

Cunningly no other manufacturers had anything near a 2.2" wheel, so they had no way of using them. It was a big advantage to Yokomo drivers, although other manufacturers thought it very unfair. Yokomo also released the TH-1 wheel adapters at the same time, so all Associated drivers could use the Yokomo wheels on RC10's.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by J'MM'N

2.2" wheels first appeared at the 1989 worlds in Australia.

I thought it was pre-1990.
But I thought the first Schumacher minipins were 2.2", and came out 87???

[J'MM'N]

The old Schumacher 3x20 & 4x20 spikes are the way to go, introduced around 1986, work almost anywhere and you just cut the spikes off to suit your set up. Still readily available, only problem is you'll need 2.0" wheels.

[Robby]

This car has those 2-piece (not 3-pc) bolt-together rims.
Were they 2.0 or 2.2?
I thought the 2nd gen wheels were 2.2........

[J'MM'N]

It was pre 1990 just

Mini pins use to be made for the smaller 2.0" wheels, as were all Schumacher tyres. I remember Schumacher weren't in a hurry to redo all there tyres to 2.2". But eventually they had to follow suit with other manufacturers, when they realised how much of a step forward the bigger wheels were.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by J'MM'N

It was pre 1990 just

Mini pins use to be made for the smaller 2.0" wheels, as were all Schumacher tyres. I remember Schumacher weren't in a hurry to redo all there tyres to 2.2". But eventually they had to follow suit with other manufacturers, when they realised how much of a step forward the bigger wheels were.

Maybe we just stretched them over the JRX2 rims, or something.

I'm just trying to place things how long pre-1990, from memory (that's foggy), because it was Spring of 1990 when I retired from racing and went back to college.

Losi had their own tyres, and Proline had the "Reds".......... oh, the good ol' days of tyre of the week.

[J'MM'N]

Originally Posted by Robby

This car has those 2-piece (not 3-pc) bolt-together rims.
Were they 2.0 or 2.2?
I thought the 2nd gen wheels were 2.2........

No the wheels are diddy, something like 1.6" or 1.7". The sort of things you get on a modern day Grasshopper It would be better if it did have 2.0" wheels.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by J'MM'N

No the wheels are diddy, something like 1.6" or 1.7". The sort of things you get on a modern day Grasshopper It would be better if it did have 2.0" wheels.

No, the original RC10 had 1.6" rims --- but I'm talking about the re-release car coming out, I thought its got those 2nd generation rims that were MUCH larger than the original car's.
(I could be wrong, seen too many pictures the last few days )

[Si Coe]

There were slippers before the Stealth box - but they tended to be slipper pinions (more like a nitro clutch bell) and therefore of limited use. Worked fine for protecting you from drivetrain shock but you couldn't really use them for traction control.
Stealth boxes didn't become available in the UK until the start of 1990 - I managed to blag one of the first customer ones into the UK off Ted Longshaw and got mine mid December 1989.
2.2in wheels worked much the same way - towards the start of 1990 Amark released pink 2.2in wheels for most brands. However except the very St Ive's specific Yokomo tyres everything was 2.0in so to use them we used to stretch out Schumacher 6x10 Cut Spikes over the carcass, which can't really have been better than a 2.0in rim.

I raced my standard gold tub RC10 with nothing except longer arms, one piece wheels and improved steering (RPM I think but don't remember) in the late 80's. Frequently my RC10 was alone in a field consisting entirely of Topcats, but it was totally competitive. That shouldn't be surprising as with those minor changes my car was essentially a Graphite but with the gold chassis.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

There were slippers before the Stealth box - but they tended to be slipper pinions (more like a nitro clutch bell) and therefore of limited use. Worked fine for protecting you from drivetrain shock but you couldn't really use them for traction control.

I had a proper slipper, Team Pitstop, for my JRX2 in 87/88-ish.
(they made them for "others" too I seem to remember)
Came complete with a different top shaft, had to knock your brass idler one off the stock topshaft, and press it on the new one.
Used red pegs instead of diffballs in our Kimbrough spur gears. It worked GREAT!

[jimmy]

Originally Posted by Robby

No, the original RC10 had 1.6" rims --- but I'm talking about the re-release car coming out, I thought its got those 2nd generation rims that were MUCH larger than the original car's.
(I could be wrong, seen too many pictures the last few days )

I can't see anything pointing toward the larger dished bolt-together rims you're talking about. This is supposed to be an original rc10, so it'll be small wheels.

My first rc10 was the championship edition 1 - with a 6-gear tranny and 2 inch wheels I believe. Really nice car but I was always more into my 4WD buggies.
MY CE2 since it was missing a couple of bits in the kit and I had spares - I built it into a gen1 replica with the short suspension, original tyres and wheels etc. It's just got slightly different shock towers and a stealth tranny.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by jimmy

I can't see anything pointing toward the larger dished bolt-together rims you're talking about. This is supposed to be an original rc10, so it'll be small wheels.

My first rc10 was the championship edition 1 - with a 6-gear tranny and 2 inch wheels I believe. Really nice car but I was always more into my 4WD buggies.
MY CE2 since it was missing a couple of bits in the kit and I had spares - I built it into a gen1 replica with the short suspension, original tyres and wheels etc. It's just got slightly different shock towers and a stealth tranny.

I just "thought" I saw a picture somewhere, I don't know...... too many pics too many threads, I'm probably getting loopy.
The original had dogbones, while this one's supposed to have CVDs - so who knows.
It still makes me wonder though, it's not like there's a manufacturer of 1.6" tyres anymore - but we won't know for sure until people start getting their hands on them.



Wonder if I've still got that case of Holiday Buggy tires socked away out in the garage or did the wife toss them?

[jimmy]

I have a few pairs lol

Nah - I think we might see a run of tyres from someone - the moulds might not all be long gone. I hope.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by jimmy

I have a few pairs lol

Nah - I think we might see a run of tyres from someone - the moulds might not all be long gone. I hope.

Just gave Cliff a ring, it will have the old school 1.6" rims. I stand corrected.

And I found the case of HB tyres.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by jimmy

ESC's can make a big difference - and for sure it's common to cheat in stock classes. If we can get together something cheap that doesn't even allow timing, that might be good.

I have knobbly spike front rc10 sized tyres - no idea who made them but obviously to race they would have to be readily available. I don't think being glued to the track is all importat - if it's wet then for sure the cars would struggle but on dry astro they won't be too bad even with 20 year old design tyres.

Jimmy in blinky there is very little in speedos, full list on EB listings, easy to check, not easy to cheat, 17.5 in a tc is fast enough but not savage, so would work well.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by jimmy

I think my procat was from that time - it din't have 2.2" rims. I am not sure when they appeared but I don't think it was until the 90's from Yokomo - or am I mistaken.

Schumacher didn't produce 2.2" wheels until the Procat SE and Bosscat, released in 1992.

Originally Posted by jimmy

ESC's can make a big difference - and for sure it's common to cheat in stock classes. If we can get together something cheap that doesn't even allow timing, that might be good.

That's the whole point of blinky and why it is widespread in on road. There is a fixed output setting that the ESC must match when in blinky mode, and whether it's a cheap basic ESC or top of the range model when they are running there is no difference between them. They are called blinky because it is mandated that when in stock mode an led blinks when in neutral so it is easy to check it is legal. The one thing that brushless has done is make sure there can't be any cheating in stock classes like there used to be.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by Robby

I thought it was pre-1990.
But I thought the first Schumacher minipins were 2.2", and came out 87???

2" minispikes were around 1990, 2.2" minispikes and microspikes around 92, minipins around 94.