petrol / diesel ripp off

[losidan]

Originally Posted by tc2k

Actually, I believe that yes it is taxed less, but also, it is cheaper as basically. The oil companies usually just burn the LPG off as its basically the byproduct of producing the petrol so instead of burning it, then can get rid of it for profit so its probably cheaper.

aha...I see

[losixxx]

i'd be more than happy for it to be £2 per litre, just think how many clubcard points i could get with my company fuel card doing 30k a year

[Northy]

Isn't petrol a bi-product of something to?

G

[tc2k]

No, as petrol is the intended product, a byproduct is something that is usually not used, hence cheaper LPG

[Col]

Originally Posted by BelstenToo

I dreamt of getting that high an mpg out of my v8 110 landy, it averaged around 13mpg
the sound made up for it though

I once had a renault that averaged 14mpg, and could be got as low as 2mpg if driven in the manor it was intended!
Oh, and that's with leaded petrol, additives and the like - made it approx £1.60 a litre...

[showtime]

well i've been paying £1:06.9 for super for a few weeks now
even worse when you consider i have a 90 litre tank to fill up & at an average of 17mpg that happens more often than i'd like it to

[banksy]

filled up the other day and it cost me £87.50 for the tank. Why are you moaning about £58. Fuel costs are a b##ch.

[sosidge]

Thinking about this topic a bit more, I think the original statement was written by someone that works for Shell...

Why target Esso and BP? Not as if they are any different to any of the other oil explorers/refiners/retailers.

If you want to stop the nations dependence on costly fossil fuels - start walking. Or get on your bike. And stop buying plastic products. And switch off your central heating. And your computer.

In fact, go live in a tent in your back garden - just don't use any gas to heat up your beans (that is generally a byproduct of the extraction of oil).

Me, I'll keep using electricity and fuel for as long as I can afford it. And when I can't I'll be living in the tent next door!

[BelstenToo]

Originally Posted by DCM

got to be an EFi Pete, and you were a bit of an animal... especialy with your scimitar!!!

Twin SUs, just had to make sure no small children were near the airbox when you revved it! That Scimitar was economical, saw nearly 22mpg out of that!

[BelstenToo]

Originally Posted by Col

I once had a renault that averaged 14mpg, and could be got as low as 2mpg if driven in the manor it was intended!
Oh, and that's with leaded petrol, additives and the like - made it approx £1.60 a litre...

Ok, you win!! What renault was that, please say something fun like a 5 turbo?

[Oscar]

Originally Posted by BelstenToo

I dreamt of getting that high an mpg out of my v8 110 landy, it averaged around 13mpg

I remember as an 18yr old (with a lead foot) My Land rover with a large webber carb was returning between 6 and 8 mpg As this was shortly after the 1st gulf war, need less to say I sold it after 3 mnth

[DCM]

didn't they do a Maxi version of the Renault 5?

[Col]

Originally Posted by BelstenToo

Ok, you win!! What renault was that, please say something fun like a 5 turbo?

Certainly was, and not even all that tuned - approx 170bhp (1.4litre, 8valves, OHV, single carb engine designed in the 70's by volvo to run diesel in a small tractor...) Even with that relatively "small" amount of power it would spin it's wheels in third! Std was 0-62 in 7.2 in '89, mine was clocked at 6.1! Awesome car

Originally Posted by DCM

didn't they do a Maxi version of the Renault 5?

Sure did. Was based on the phase 1 version. Believe it was a mid engined V6 turbo from the Feugo (or whatever it was called) developed for homogolation of group B rally cars? Not many built and even less around now

[showtime]

the Turbo 1 was the original race car with a few cars built for the road so the race car could be homologated for competition.
the Turbo 2 was more of a std made for the road car utilising a lot more production parts rather than lightweight special components.
the Maxi Turbo was the final variant of the car but this time built for competition, it had bigger arches etc & a slightly bigger engine (1500cc i think??) that ran a lot more boost & made up to 350 - 400BHP
apparently it was the best handling 2wd tarmac rally car ever made!
ever according to some!

[showtime]

shot of Maxi engine bay showing tiny 4pot engine & huge turbo



the V6 engined 5 is just somebodys conversion not a production car!
i think there are vids on youtube?

some Maxi5 specs

RENAULT MAXI 5 TURBO

Engine: 4-cylinder in-line with Garrett T4/T3 turbocharger - indirect fuel injection by electronically controlled Renault Sport piston pump - Marelli fully mapped "Microplex" ignition - New water pump with increased flow rate. Aluminium radiator.
Capacity 1527.4 cc
Bore - stroke 77 x 82mm
Power 350bhp at 6,500rpm
Max torque 43mkg at 5,000rpm.
Clutch: Diaphragm twin-disc. Hydraulic operation.
Gearbox: Transaxle derived from Renault 5 Turbo with 5 forward speeds + reverse. Final drive ratio 9 x 35, alternatives 8 x 35, 9 x 31 - Strengthened gears
Brakes: 4 ventilated steel discs - adjustable pedal box with two master cylinders - aviation type safety piping.
Bodywork: steel shell with aluminium and composite material elements.
Dimensions: Length 3.60m - Width 1.80m - Height 1.33m
(+0.88 aerial) - Weight: 905kg.
Performance: between 178 and 200.4kph according to gearing.

[Northy]

Originally Posted by tc2k

No, as petrol is the intended product, a byproduct is something that is usually not used, hence cheaper LPG

Are you sure? I remember an old guy telling me that they used to dump petrol in the sea because they had too much of it (as it was a by-product).

G

[DCM]

I would not think that any petrol distillation is wasted these days. LPG is a slightly refined product of what is normaly burnt off the top of the vent stack at a pertoleum plant though. my father remembers, during the war, when the millitary tool their big cut of fuel, cars were converted to run on LPG and had inflatable tanks on roof racks... scary as hell that.

[Lee]

LPG is not a by product!!!

Offshore you either have your gas platforms or the oil platforms, gas= LPG and many others, the oil platforms pull up the crude oil from the bed and from that when its distilled you get all of your paraffins, kerosine, petrol and deisel, bitumen etc, deisel is slightly dearer to make as it requires more effort/cost to remove it from the column as it is "heavier" than petrol and most others.


You get a minor amount of lpg/other gasses when extracting the black gold but nowadays because (some) of the wells do not have the pressure for the oil to flow naturally they force the gas back down to pressurise the well, this is called natural gas lift.


On a brighter note i shut down a shell (gas) platform 2 years ago for a week @ £30 million a day

they were not happy chappies

[b4rs]

Originally Posted by Northy

Isn't petrol a bi-product of something to?

G

it is actually (smarty arse) lol. heres a diagram, i learnt this in science.




there all bi-products of crude oil.

science lesson over for today

[tc2k]

But Petrol is the intended product, they dont buy the oil and then go, come on then, what should we do with all this leftover petrol