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Darren, I'm not willing to discuss particular clubs or those who run them in public as if they want to speak out on an open forum then they will choose to do so. What I will say though is that despite what you wrote in your last message I know for a fact that there are clubs in our region who have voiced their concerns over this agreement with you in private and that the reality is not as you wrote, so to portray a steady ship is something we both know is inaccurate.
And for the record, I have never raced at either TORCH or SHRCCC. As for entering the regionals, this year I had entered them for the first time but I will now be withdrawing from them all.
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ALL clubs sat around th table at the emeeting and this was discussed and agreed by all, then "aferwards" some clubs have come away and are going against what had been agreed. Clubs dont get regionals just because they ask or want one, they earn one and the whole process of who gets one (or two) where they will e, when they will be gets discussed and voted on at the meeting by all the clubs. It is no good agreeing to oen thing at a meeting then doing another things at a later date. As for the financial gain, for me enough is enough, I know of one club in particular who have stated to me personally that the club in question MUST run every week for financial reasons only and to me that is not what the consideration should be it should be about supporting the rest of the region and the other clubs in it, after all each club wants the racers from "every other club" to come to them on their regional dates, so why should they not support the others when it is their turn..... But once more, dont shoot the messenger, anyone not happy either take it up with YOUR club (who agreed to these arrangements) OR the regional rep, I (as well as Tony) am only conveying what I know (and have agreed to on behalf of my own club and its members - we will NOT be running meetings on any other regional date)
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If you are not from either TORCH or SHRCCC then I cannot see your point in all of this to be honest. Ware, DMS and Stotfold already would not be running on regional dates anyhow (they never have), it is only TORCH or SHRCCC who may have alter their plans or way their clubs are run as a result of this and if you race at neither then this does not affect you at all since clubs outside of these 5 can run on any given sunday they like if they are not running regionals  As for being entered for them all already but now you are withdrawing, what on earth is the point of that? You need to look at the bigger picture here, this is all about "suppoting" clubs not taking anything away from them..... If Stotfold, Herts, DMS and say SHRCCC all had a club meeting on the same day as the first regional at TORCH (just as an example), then I can 100% Guarrentee that TORCH would not have anyhwere near the 100 racers booked in like they do already for that event, it would be around half that (at a guess) with the other 50 or so choosing to race at their home club instead. This IS to support the clubs............ EDIT, I see from your first post in this thread your local club is Silverstone, and they will be GREATLY missed in our region this year since they are one of the best clubs around and the track was superb, they will be sorely missed. Your next nearest clubs are Stotfold and Ware but both these clubs would not be running on other regional dates (through choice) so you are not missing out on anything
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My point in all of this is that I do race at clubs that are affected by this rule and I don't agree with it, as with many other racers. I guess the difference is I have spoken out publicly. If this makes me public enemy number one in some people's eyes though then I can live with that. If no one ever says anything then everyone walks round thinking everything is rosy and nothing ever changes.
If me speaking out causes a few more that already think like me to say so then long term things may change. And then it will have been worth making myself unpopular.
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If so many people are in agreement, why not say so in this forum, its what it is here for. Its not like you will be publicly scorned everywhere you go...its your opinion and your more than welcome to it and i dont think anyone has said you shouldnt be!
the regional events in the south are run to a great standard in my opinion and need to be supported so they can continue to do so. As Darren said, no reason why you cant go your local track and still practise to be honest, you can still race with your friends without timing gear. this whole argument seems a bit silly tbh, because i'm fairly sure the majority of people that run the club meetings attend regionals, i know from the ware POV, even if we did race sundays, they wouldnt be on because no one would be available to run the meetings anyway. PS Tony are you up at the neo this weekend? 
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Some people that run regionals seem to think they are the be all and end all, and that every club driver should feel the same. They don't... One club has approx 40 members. Less than 20% of those members CHOOSE to do the regionals. They know they are on, but they CHOOSE not to do them. They don't CHOOSE not to race at all though, people want to decide that for them. I'm not looking to fall out and start a war so I am signing off now, but I hope that at the end of all this then people are in no doubt that this agreement is not popular and will likely be broken at some time or other....
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if there are so many with this opinion they need to speak up, because if the change is wanted, it would happen if it was supported so highly...that's fairly simple logic!
If this "club" really does have 80% of members not really wanting to do regionals, then they should tell the organisers or the club, no one is forcing them to run a regional (assuming they are) and no one is forcing them to abide by said rules.
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Dear oh dear!!
I think people should be commended for speaking their opinions and so on and I know too well that I sometimes speak and it gets me in trouble!! I have a suggestion for the clubs, respective members of those clubs and drivers in general. It has to be clarified from the start though that it is just a suggestion and the clubs would have to verify this idea with Keith W. our regional rep and amongst all the clubs. Now for sure 1/10th is on the up and people, especially after this discussion, are more than aware how the BRCA and certainly the clubs from the mid-south want to make the sport grow, but there may be an argument for the increasing club driver that just doesn’t want to do regional events and no matter how many times we explain that this is the right way, he just doesn’t want to do them. Cannot personally understand why not, as the regional events cater for every level and it is really the best way forward. Here we go! On a regional event date Clubs cannot run the same class as the relevant regional at their club meetings. In other words they can run their clubs but not the same class as the regional event. 2wd regional, only 4wd cars at other club meetings. 4wd regional, only 2wd cars at other club meetings. The accepted agreement to also extend to, no club can run same class as their coming up regional, 7 days prior to that regional event and that includes the Sunday prior to the event. Just to clarify so there are no misunderstandings although I think it's clear. If there is a 4wd lets say next weekend at the Surrey and Hants club. I pick this club as Neil advertised Tues, Thurs and Sundays, 51 weeks of the year (LOL – you can all attack me later when I pop down, weather permitting) They (S&H) cannot run 4wd cars the Sunday before the event or at anytime within 7 days leading up to the event. All other clubs can do their normal thing but cannot run 4wd cars AT ALL on the Sunday of the S&H 4wd regional event. Any club found to break the agreement then instantaneously looses all rights to regional events and all events are rescheduled to clubs that can run them. How is that? I think this can encourage any club members at respective clubs to get hold of the other class cars. Let’s say they only drive a 2wd then they might consider the 4wd too or visa versa. I also think for the clubs that are putting in big efforts for the regional events like I know some are, they don’t feel they will loose anything. The club racer can then stay at his club (skye) and everyone is happy. Only joking!!! I can’t really see many negatives in that suggestion and it keeps the tradition of the mid-south too.
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Whats going on in the Mid-South, seems overrun with racers and tracks, everybodys keen to race everynight of the week & Sundays, ain't that fantastic.
We have 5 clubs running regionals and 4 not but more than capable, 2 of which have more than 1 venue, then there is the 2 in Newbury, and a few others catering for other classes, Wycombe springs to mind. A few years ago the regionals were half full, now they have a limit on racers, I think things have changed slightly. Why anyone would not want to do a regional I don't understand, outstanding days racing, meet more racers from the area and get an F rateing, a cup of tea and a soggy burger, but if its not for you then its not for you. This obviously needs to be looked at, and I suppose there must be a process for that (< my point, just to prove I have one), but ain't we lucky to be in a position to do so, and one of the reasons we are is because lots of good people put in a lot of effort to make it so. (was reading this thread last night while watching sons of anarchy on 5usa, aaarh the little things that amuse us in life).
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I understand that some club racers wont be able to get to the regional events for a variety of issues and constraints, but for the sake of the growth of our sport and the friends, fun, and experience that can be gained along the way, i cant see how it's a bad thing for clubs to support each other and promote regional racing. Just my two cents! I'll go back to my hole now! 
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If the conditions of running a regional are that clubs who are also running regionals in the same region are not allowed to run a same class meeting on the same day, I can not see why we have this thread.
Either follow the rule or withdraw from holding a regional. Clubs should work together and support other clubs. We have already discussed our Winter Series plans with out nearest club (Silverstone) to ensure we do not clash/shadow dates for 2012/13. All that will happen is the regulars will attend their local club's regional, and then not bother attending the other regionals as they will be attending there own club's meeting on the same day. It's disgraceful that we're even having this conversation 
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Hi All,
I've kept quiet on this thread watching the different views back and forth and I think its great for debate in the 1/10th area and also great we have a glut of decent clubs in the South now. Now, firstly I’d like to make it crystal clear that S & H are thrilled and delighted to have been given the prestigious honour of running two regional meetings in this our second year on the racing scene in 2012. To hold not one, but two this time last year would have been beyond our wildest dreams. We’ll endeavour to move heaven and earth to create a good meeting vibe on the day. Racing’s is what its all about. However, being the ‘newbie’ to this, what comes with this is old baggage from previous years gone by. ‘Rules’ and ‘Gentleman’s Agreements’ that were not privy to or didn’t know. The 'rules' we have looked at and we are fine and dandy after consultation with the regional BRCA rep. Since accepting the regional meetings it has come to light that there has been an understanding between the host clubs that they will not run any meeting whilst another regional is being hosted in the area. There are many differing views on this from many different people. Racers from all clubs go to all regional’s to support the series. Historically (I believe) when grids have been low that agreement was a great effort by all clubs to get as many numbers as possible to each race. However, and I hope I can speak publically for Torch on this as well. S & H and Torch were unaware of the this agreement before or during the meeting to decide venues. It was only after enquiries I made it came to light. I informed Torch of this rule in mid March. I’m not stirring the pot here, more to put on record that 'we' didn’t know anything about this agreement prior or during the meeting so the general racers can see where some of this thread has come from. We also have the side issue of drivers not wanting to travel and not wanting to compete in the regional series. TORCH and SHRCCC (to pick the two I know) both have drivers who will not even travel the 50 minute distance to race at each others tracks, which is absolutely fine, we're both here to support them. Clubs therefore have to support the competitive fast racers as well as cater for those who wish to bumble around the track on their weekends of work. I think Tony’s idea of clubs able to run a 4wd only meeting on the same day as a 2wd regional meeting (and visa versa) is a well thought out and sensible idea and one that does indeed need to be discussed. The whole emphasis is getting the people to regional’s is excellent, but we need to remember not everyone wants to do them. What’s better, people wanting to race locally sat at home not racing, not breaks parts and not using tyres or running a non competitive low key meeting?. At the end of the day whatever the BRCA decide, S & H will run with it, but to pose the question of the BRCA. Should the BRCA support the clubs, the regional series and the grass routes level?. Is this counter productive?. I'm just asking the question, not stating, it's a good topic of conversation. Also to confine the myth of the 7 day rule. This does not apply to regional races, only National Series. Think in the past many tracks have used the Sunday before as time to prep and modify the track for the following week. On a personal note, S & H are running the week before our regional on the Sunday and the Tuesday, with track maintained and changes on the Thursday night and Saturday (no practice allowed bar me to test the track as I am not racing at our round). These meetings have been sanctioned by the regional BRCA. The above is all in aid of developing a good local scene for club and top racers throughout. As suggested we do have a high rent to pay (whether we race or not) which is not cheap by any stretch of imagination. It takes a lot of time and money to create and setup a race track and a lot of time and money to keep it running. To suggest S & H run the race dates they have purely for financial gain/profit is out of order and way off the mark. SHRCCC Team.
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This issue has not just "popped up" it has been circulated by email for some time now. Keith Wardle (regional rep) has confirmed to us all (all club representatives that is) that there is to be NO "race meeting" on the day of a regional at another club. He has said this now on a number of occassions and still it is being harped on about. He has given issue that an open practice day or free track time is no issue at all for those who wish to get their R/C car fix on that day at their local venue, his instructions have been 100% clear thus far to us ALL. If any club (new or old) does not like the idea then they can raise a vote to change it at next years meeting, but for now I suggest we all follow what Keith has instructed and deal with it as is for this year. As for financial, it should not even enter into clubs minds to be honest, let alone correspondance. Each meeting we hold at Watford this year will cost us £600 per day for hall hire alone, trophies, tape and other consumbales for the day on top of that. 2012 is the first season in memory that I think we will not run at a loss at our venue with the higher numbers pre-entered thus far, but we put the events on each year for the good of the racers, even if it does get subsidised from my own pocket..... As numerous people have posted here already, why the clubs do not strive to support the other clubs in the area is beyond me also. You all want "their" racers to come to your meetings, so why should it not be vice versa? Neil has posted above that his club is excited to hold the two prestigous regionals, but what makes them "prestigous" is the fact that the best drivers and large follwoing from "every other club" will be there in attendance, is it not right for the othrs cluybs to then expect your members (or as many as possible) to attend their "prestigous" meeting. I see a HUGE contingent from TORCH already booked in for venues all overt the region and a HUGE well done to them (and they will have more travelling to do than any other club being the southern most). Another point, we can all sit behind our computer screens and state we "did not know about somthing", but to be honest, there have been LOTS of things the two new clubs have not known with regards to the regionals (which is quite understandable), regards how they are run etc , practise, booking in, the list of topics is endless. "EVERY" other topic has simply been addressed by "asking a question by email", so in this case if anyone was unsure, then why not just ask, like everything else. I have answered scores of emails from both SHRCCC and TORCH on a multitude of topics and I ahve been more than happy to help out, especially since Keith is not as accesable as I am during the day, so I am more then happy to help assist him in any way I can. When you did ask, you were told and since you dont agree. Ther eis a little point in my opinion asking how somthing is done, having it explained to you and told what to expect, then disagreeing with the help and advice you have been given, that is why it is now an issue.......... I have said via email and PM replies (more than once), if you are not happy with anything now, please address it with Keith who will once more set the record striaght on what is epxected or not expected if you or anyne is unsure.
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Darren,
to me as an average punter coming back into the scene, your posts and the apparent 'attitude' in them are just so wrong on many levels... Can I kindly suggest that you tone it down a little, and I also suggest let the actaul representative talk 'for' the BRCA, unlike at the moment, where it distinctly sounds as if you are speaking for the BRCA yourself.. It just doesn't do yourself or the whole situation any favours... 
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