New buggy tyres

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by losixxx

there plenty of place's selling for far less than £8 per pair.
why do they need to develope as the tyre works very well as it is and to say they don't give anything back to the sport, well its only in the last couple of years sch havent run some sort of series or had 1/10th cars around. models expo for example. they provided all drivers with free tyres.
a lot of people run losi rear wheels to go with there sch tyres but don't hear people asking why arnt losi giving something back to the sport? same thing imho.

diff make of tyre just won't happen. its one reason the brca 1/10th committee decided to have a say in what tyre was selected by the club for nationals.

Ok, £7.50 a pair then???

Losi wheels are from a Losi car though so you can't really complain about that - it's a choice of what wheels you use and at least there is a choice.

I'm just glad to see another Tyre that looks like it should work on Grass, Ballistics were a good option but never worked quite the same on dry/dusty grass.......

I just think if for instance Proline had a tyre that worked well on Grass, you would see all sorts of promotions and races organised and further input and development of the Tyres as they're a company that still have an interest in 1/10th Off Road which i don't believe Schumacher do.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

That's why i still think controlling it to say 2 sets and a 3rd for A-Finals would be a good way to do it.......

It was only an idea, i just think it's a shame one company has such a hugh monopoly of the Tyres we all use yet they don't support the 1/10th off road section in any other way???

apart from sponoring the biggest uk winter series soley for off road!!

[losixxx]

its nothing to do with the manufactures, its the actual clubs who decide what tyre to run.
also shops find it hard enough with the current tyre selection and weather to know what to stock, for example CDS got loads of pink BB spikes for kiddy national when rain was forecast then sunday was cancelled thus leaving them with some 40 sets of tyres that will sit on the shelf for god knows how long. thats a awful lot of money tied up. im sure dom's had the same problem at times. you will find that shops just won't have tyre's available trackside and just rely on pre-orders if diff tyres for every meeting comes in. the control tyre is the cheaper option even at rrp of £8 per pair. you ask some of the top boy's how many odd makes of tyre they have sitting in there pit boxes and work out how much there cost!! and if they will ever use them! tr32's are a prime example another how many people have BB mini pins i for 1 have probably 20 pairs that i can't use at reg//nationals

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

apart from sponoring the biggest uk winter series soley for off road!!

didnt know they were sponsoring the kiddy/cov astro turf masters

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

apart from sponoring the biggest uk winter series soley for off road!!

Is this the one where one set of mini-pins last all day? lol

Not the same as up to 8 sets of minispikes per national though is it.......

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by losixxx

its nothing to do with the manufactures, its the actual clubs who decide what tyre to run.
also shops find it hard enough with the current tyre selection and weather to know what to stock, for example CDS got loads of pink BB spikes for kiddy national when rain was forecast then sunday was cancelled thus leaving them with some 40 sets of tyres that will sit on the shelf for god knows how long. thats a awful lot of money tied up. im sure dom's had the same problem at times. you will find that shops just won't have tyre's available trackside and just rely on pre-orders if diff tyres for every meeting comes in. the control tyre is the cheaper option even at rrp of £8 per pair. you ask some of the top boy's how many odd makes of tyre they have sitting in there pit boxes and work out how much there cost!! and if they will ever use them! tr32's are a prime example another how many people have BB mini pins i for 1 have probably 20 pairs that i can't use at reg//nationals

Yeah but like any business you have to accept the risks if you want to try and make money by running a shop - same could be said about any Kits etc, you can't ever guarantee what people will buy can you??

I've got shed loads of tyres i'll probably never use, but Ebay's a great thing for that

What about Euro's? People don't seem to mind going out there with all kinds of tyres?? I remember having to take enough of each combination that could possibly work and it was just embarrassing having an entire hauler full of tyres yet we still did it. It's part of competing at the highest levels i'm afraid.

If it was 2 sets per meeting of a nominated tyre that would cost a hell of a lot less overall, you could buy all the tyres in Feb or whenever dates are announced knowing exactly what you're going to use at each event. Surely this would also keep shops stocks right down??

[Northy]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Is this the one where one set of mini-pins last all day? lol

And I tell you now, one set on mini-pins will be lasting me all series there, as they did 'back in the day'

G

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

If it was 2 sets per meeting of a nominated tyre that would cost a hell of a lot less overall, you could buy all the tyres in Feb or whenever dates are announced knowing exactly what you're going to use at each event. Surely this would also keep shops stocks right down??

but it would also have a reverse affect, new company's wouldnt invest time and money to develope better tyres if there will be a limit on the amount they sell. some excisting company's would probably stop producing there current tyres for the same reason. i know sch don't keep loads of stock even though there the biggest supplier in the uk.

[Cockerill]

If you can think of a way of implementing 2 sets of tires per meeting then I would love to hear it.

This has been discussed several times over the last few years and it seems that it would be very hard to implement given the time constraints of nationals.

[josh_smaxx]

These new GRP tires are meant to be good, ok? So why are we argueing that we would need loads of different tires for each race meeting, we could wait and see how well the GRP's perform, and if they are better than sch tires then fully convert i say, especially if there cheaper, bout time 1/10th off road have a change in tires for once. IMO that is

[RLGfx]

Originally Posted by josh_smaxx

These new GRP tires are meant to be good, ok? So why are we argueing that we would need loads of different tires for each race meeting, we could wait and see how well the GRP's perform, and if they are better than sch tires then fully convert i say, especially if there cheaper, bout time 1/10th off road have a change in tires for once. IMO that is

well said...

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

If you can think of a way of implementing 2 sets of tires per meeting then I would love to hear it.

This has been discussed several times over the last few years and it seems that it would be very hard to implement given the time constraints of nationals.

They managed it ok at the Euro's back a few years ago?? Selected nail varnish i believe it was once you'd glued up your wheels and tyres.

It's all going completely off topic now i realise but it wouldn't hard to do if for arguements sake it was decided at the AGM which tyres would be used at which national, you could turn up at 8:00 am with the tyres already glued (2 sets), give them to Scruiteneering with your Transmitter for them to be marked in the chosen way, then all you would need to do is take them off (rears only) at the end of the qualifying run to give back in with the transmitter so they have both sets and then when you just select which pair of the two you want to use when you scruiteneer the car??

Can't really see why that wouldn't work!?!

All i was originally trying to say is that i think it's a bit off that Schumacher tyres are used 90% of the time around the UK race tracks when they don't generally support this section of R/C any longer yet must make £££'s just from tyres.

[Bathy]

I recommend getting your tyres from Losixxx, I had a load at Southport last weekend and so far they have been completely free!


oOppps soz Chris!

[markwilliamson2001]

Tyres in off-road are never going to be easy, although I think the idea of control tyres throughout a series (especially in this country) where schumacher/ballistic tyres tend to work on grass, astro cobbles etc etc etc is a good one. This is especially true for club racers and similiar level drivers (not those going to the Euro''s or Worlds.)

I think that this helps the racers on a budget, because they can then run a small selection of tyres (AND wheels, AND foams) which all add up in price. Last season I ran 4 sets of wheels and tyres (including my minipins for indoors) which didnt cost me all that much. I knew that with a spare set of foams and wheels that I could buy some new tyres at a meeting if one set of mine were wearing out a bit. I also know that I would run a set of tyres for more than one meeting (yes that is 12 rounds of racing!!).

I cannot afford more than one set of tyres a meeting because that is around £60 worth of wheels tyres and foams in total!!

As far as these Mirage tyres are concerned, if they look, handle and wear very similiar to schumacher tyres, why cannot we run them alongside schumachers and ballistics on the control tyre list???? Surely then if you cannot get schumacher tyres at that time, you have a viable alternative!!

It also may help push the cost down, but I doubt it.... if they come out cheap at first, then they will go UP in price - just look at the ballistic buggy tyres!!

My two cents
M.

[Lee Martin]

nicks right, i havnt seen schum give much back over the last few years....so its good they have made a compition to thm....

[OldTimer]

Anybody got a idea of the price of the GRP's ?

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by Bathy

I recommend getting your tyres from Losixxx, I had a load at Southport last weekend and so far they have been completely free!


oOppps soz Chris!

glad you added the so far!! just love it when someone doesnt ask the price before having the items

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

They managed it ok at the Euro's back a few years ago?? Selected nail varnish i believe it was once you'd glued up your wheels and tyres.

It's all going completely off topic now i realise but it wouldn't hard to do if for arguements sake it was decided at the AGM which tyres would be used at which national, you could turn up at 8:00 am with the tyres already glued (2 sets), give them to Scruiteneering with your Transmitter for them to be marked in the chosen way, then all you would need to do is take them off (rears only) at the end of the qualifying run to give back in with the transmitter so they have both sets and then when you just select which pair of the two you want to use when you scruiteneer the car??

Can't really see why that wouldn't work!?!

All i was originally trying to say is that i think it's a bit off that Schumacher tyres are used 90% of the time around the UK race tracks when they don't generally support this section of R/C any longer yet must make £££'s just from tyres.

At the Euro's they have a whole day to tech transmitters, cars, etc. At the nationals we would be talking 2hrs tops to mark 240 sets of tires. We are also asking the volunteers in scrutineering to start 2hrs earlier than normal.

Where would all the tires be kept if the transmitter compound is away from scrutineering, say on the rostrum?

Who is going to take the wheels off the cars, because the drivers have to be out to marshal (bearing in mind not everyone has a pit person)?

At the moment scrutineers have 5 mins to take the returned transponders and scrutineer 10 more cars, with this idea they will also have to take in 10 sets of wheels, and give out 10 sets of wheels, you may find them struggling to complete all this in 5 mins.

What happens if it rains and you have 2 sets of dry tires glued up?

Who declares a wet track?

What happens if it rains whilst you are waiting to race and have been through scrutineering? can you change tires? how long will it take? will they have time to re-scrutineer you?

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see limited amount of tires used, however the logistics of implementing it are not easy as you can see.

[Chris Doughty]

the 8th tire WITH foam is
GGM11B Conespike tyres Un Assembled (Pr) MAP £8.99

I would like to see pre-mounted tires with foam for 10th, how many 2WD's don't use the Losi XXX style rear wheel?

who likes glueing tires?

also, has anyone else noticed that recent schum yellows 'rip'
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/south.../OOP_3586.html

has been happening quite a bit from what I have seen.

[Lee Martin]

yeh!!!!!!