New rules here . . . at last

[TOMO WEF]

The silvercans are just as bad you can source the same exact can design as the g2 "mardave" motor in anything from 32 turns to 12 turns if you know where to look so silvercan is no better and the ezrun stuff may have good kv ratings but have you checked the tourque at 3.7v? its lame! so it does you no good having all those high revs without the voltage required to access it.

For a test I borrowed Marti Mcbrides car after he had run in the brushed a final at ardent on sunday and I drove it in the brushless dave a final straight after it and even with a battery that had done a race I finished 2nd from the back of the grid in the second leg. Then had my results taken out obviously so as not to bugger up anyones championship.

So with these rules if you like g2 then race g2 if you dont have the knack of picking a good g2 or you dont spend £xxx on the best cels each season then you can go lipo 13.5 and still be the same speed but without the "black magic" thats requiered to get the speed out the things.
Wayne Postans a very capable driver and a tech nutcase had a g2 that was sooooo limp he was getting very frustrated with it and now after watching all the brushless guys go down the straight at the exact same speed as each other wants to run that format.

Check the ardent website fr the qualifiying times between the brushless (13.5-1s) and the brushed guys you will see how close they are.

Hi All
Been getting loads of calls re this thread. Just to let people know i have had NO input into these rules NOR have have i been asked. Please feel free to call me the commitee if you need any help
Chris
Mardave

Low cost racing and it has worked fo 40 years why change it

[teamorsum96]

Originally Posted by Mardaveuk

Hi All
Been getting loads of calls re this thread. Just to let people know i have had NO input into these rules NOR have have i been asked. Please feel free to call me the commitee if you need any help
Chris
Mardave

Low cost racing and it has worked fo 40 years why change it

totally agree with you there

[truggy lover]

please please please re-read the thread no one is changing any thing under the proposed rules mardave as it is will not change as i have read it

only thing is to bring in new ruling on the 13.5t/lipo class so that they can run together and hopefully keep numbers up

i ran mardave as a 4 cell silver can and even at a gp at hinkley with hand out motors some peeps ran out side ran motors in in buckets of water others sprayed a full can of wd40 on a motor and when on track there motors were so much faster that wont change

with some one starting out with a 13.5t lipo setup they can gear there cars the same and race on a more even level whats the problem

PS i am not on the commitee just willing to move with the times

no more black art silver can magic and no more tending to nimh cells

just charge and race which is all i want to do

[dirtyghost]

Thanks for your positive support Chris.........!

And as for asking you, you were asked to be part of the comity and declined.(Not that it would be fair to have the company that makes the cars on the comity) but that's just my personal view.
Loads of people ringing you Chris... wot 5 people at most BT must be busy.

No one is changing anything as truggy lover has said we are just bringing things in line with current changes like lipo's and kit that's not from the ark, times change as do trends and peoples interests, this is being done to make things fair because at the moment if your not a wizz at brushed motor fiddling you have no chance, brushed motor's are far to hit and miss if you get a good one then you are ok for maybe 3 meets then they drop off brushless dont do this - buy one and use it for a few years perhaps.......... this has to be a good thing.
I myself have just changed over to brushless after running brushed for years, so much less stress in the pits after a race, no WD40 no com drops no cotton buds no greasy hands covered in oil and crud from the motor....... in fact i gave it a brush off and had a chat and caught up with some people i haven't had time to for ages in the pits.

Rant over cheers Marti.

[teamorsum96]

i here and read what your saying, and im all for change, but mardave is the simplest form of RC racing.the best drivers keep buyin new motors every few weeks, what do you think will happen with the brushless,they will just go out and buy new brushless motors every few months instead.

are club tryed the brushless and lipo, and it died off within few weeks lol

[qatmix]

If they buy a new 13.5t every few months it won't be any faster! Even so it would still be cheaper than buying a new silvercan every 3-4 weeks.

[Gazza]

Originally Posted by dirtyghost

Thanks for your positive support Chris.........!

And as for asking you, you were asked to be part of the comity and declined.

I will 2nd that as well as we did ask you Chris
We called the meeting at Ardent remember

Originally Posted by Mardaveuk

Low cost racing and it has worked fo 40 years why change it

Becouse Im sick of buying G2's and Cells and Lipo is even cheaper so thats LOW LOW cost racing

Originally Posted by teamorsum96

what do you think will happen with the brushless,they will just go out and buy new brushless motors every few months instead.

are club tryed the brushless and lipo, and it died off within few weeks lol

Buying new brushless every few months PMSL

I dont know what you where running but as for 1s LiPo and 13.5 brushless my Fusion motor still going after nearly two years and thats a £40 motor so that MYTH is . . . . .BUSTED


So again to all who have forgot and getting confused

G2 and 4 cell is still running no change there

There is a new class called. . .

Brushless and we run 13.5 and 1s LiPo thats it in in a nut shell

so you have two options. . . .
old STOCK class G2 and 4 cell or New 13.5 you pays your money and takes ya choice

But do ask some one who has just converted its way more fun

[Gazza]

Again this is Ardent race way Last Sunday

G2 4cell

Russ Payne 19 / 301.39


Nick Cooper 19 / 301.68
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13.5 B/Less 1s LiPo


James Carvell 19 / 301.66

Gary Crisp 19 / 303.17


So as you can see by the laps and the times A GOOD G2 is on par with the B/Less guys So if you where there racing and got lapped by Nick so many times then you need to learn the black art of Motors / Cells etc . . .

Now if you have had enough and want to quit because you cant keep up DONT

Go Brushless

Full results at Ardent http://www.ardentracing.com/raceway/...Series Round 1 . . . . Ardent Summer Series Round 1

[Paulnuneaton]

Originally Posted by Mardaveuk

Hi All
Been getting loads of calls re this thread. Just to let people know i have had NO input into these rules NOR have have i been asked. Please feel free to call me the commitee if you need any help
Chris
Mardave

Low cost racing and it has worked fo 40 years why change it

yes 40 years now we all know things change just like council tax car tax do we need another 40 years of being in the dark ages
Its called moving forward!!!!!! andf it can only be for the better!!!!!

[mcjjordan]

im loving the idea of ditching nimh and going lipo but have no idea what charger id need as never used lipo before...

whats a good/cheap charger to use and what spec do i look for?

[truggy lover]

http://www.modelsport.co.uk/fusion-l...products/30776

i use this one 12/240v charger

no power supply needed and can run from a liesure battery if needed can balance charge as well can be had from £50 link just for info

Hi All
I think some of you have miss understod what i said, i realy need a set of rules set so we can move this on and progress forward. Mardave is and always will be behind the Circuit section and as Gary says lipo/Brushless is the way forward. The G2BL system soon to be re re;leased in a 13.5 format and within the price limmit.
So iam here if any help is needed. a manufacturer i thought it was better that i let the racers form a strong committe.
Cheers All

ps please e-mail me as i don't always get chance to read all this thread
Chris

[truggy lover]

well any rules have to better if the manufacturer is on side and work together to get things right for the racers

I think with forums and email txt and alike things can be read and taken out of context

like BT keep saying its good to TALK !!

[Gazza]

Originally Posted by Mardaveuk

The G2BL system soon to be re re;leased in a 13.5 format and within the price limmit.
Chris

Please. . please. . Please tell us its a proper Sensored system other wise you will be wasting your time Chris

Yea send one up to me for testing so I can find any flaws if any . . .

You know how much effort I have put into this it would be a shame now to miss out

[Karl Dransfield]

Originally Posted by Gazza

then you need to learn the black art of Motors / Cells etc . . .

People keep referring to this "black art", what do you mean by black art?

Also what are these rules for? There are no BRCA sanctioned events for mardave circuit yet.

[Gazza]

wacking motor out and playing with the brush's type of thing . . .
THAT black art

The rules are for Mardave racing you know keep it the same other wise people will be running 64dp Gears

[4_cell_racer]

Originally Posted by Gazza

wacking motor out and playing with the brush's type of thing . . .
THAT black art

The rules are for Mardave racing you know keep it the same other wise people will be running 64dp Gears

Peeps are already running 64dp gazza (I'm sure!!!)

[Gazza]

Shame really.. .

I see people using wrong pitch gears ESC & now I see people selling up and going back to other forms of racing

What a shame they killed it because they cant follow simple rules that were posted. . . . oh well never mind I tried

[truggy lover]

i am selling mine gazza cos if i go on a normal club meet there isnt enough to make a heat so you end up racing with standard which are not the same and also the cars are slower as you know

This all sounds daft but when you think its £20 to get there and back and then £8 to race its not really a fun days racing

so hoping that racing the rc10r5 will have more consistant racing and better standard of driving