Team Losi Racing '22'- New 2WD buggy

[sparrow.2]

I think the car looks fantastic right down to the yellow wheels!

As for the copycat discussion yes it does look like the developers have had some of the same ideas as the Durango developers but the cues are taken more from the 1/8th scale cars in both cases.
Concerning the colour of the anodizing there are only so many colours you can hard-anodize aluminium as the process dictates the colour as opposed to colour anodizing.

I have been taking a bit of a break from RC lately but this thing really makes me want to give it another go! the shell looks fantastic and I bet you can get the speedo down lower too with a bit of ingenious tetris and wiring.

So nice to see that Losi is back with a vengeance!

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Yeah but if you gave both cars an LSD and took away all of the stupidly clever electronics keeping the 911 on the road, i think the Cayman would actually be quicker on track

Horses for courses. Dry track probably close, Wet track 911 faster on traction, Cayman faster into and through apex..

Id prefer a Cayman, but my choice is based on looks.

[AndyG]

also, something not yet mentioned - you will need different 'cuts' of the shell to suit each config by the looks, as the mid motor config needs an extra cut out for the gear cover.

Guessing it doesn't come with 2 shells

[Mr. Red]

Get two cars. One for spares and two complete trannys for easy switching between mid/rear configuration. Never wrong to have a doble set och shocks either for testing new setups. Two different cut bodies and so on.
I Will get two cars anyway.

[Darren Boyle]

There is only the one body in the kit and yes it does require cutting differently for mid motor and rear motor layouts.

But to be fair to Losi the body and wing set for the car is very reasonably priced at just £13,99 and we have been informed they are hoping to have the bodies available before the car gets here so people can uy extras and have one sprayed up in time for when the car arrives.

The part number is TLR8057, we already hve them online for anyone who wishes to pre-order one.....

[Rebelrc]

The car is cheap enough to buy 2 kits and build them up accordingly ( mid/rear motor )

[MHeadling]

Alright money bags! 1 car will do most people I'm sure!

Rebel you getting 2 x Kuga's as well??!!!!!

[Rebelrc]

LLol
Money bags! who me? I wish
Quote you : Heres your X10 back cause i cannot fit anymore rc cars in my Garage

[Rebelrc]

Only Kuga ( Cougar ) i will ever buy Lol
Bring on the 22 ...Fantastic sensible design with an equally fantastic price tag

[Rebelrc]

Just a quick question to anyone experienced with the new pre production/prototype 22's
I am led to believe that other mid cars try to get the motor as far back to the diff as possible and also buried over the rear wheels as much as possible? Now the mid motored config on the 22 is much more forward in the car compared to that of all the other manufacturers.
Why is this? is it beneficial or just slightly compromised to give both rear and mid configurations
Regards
Scott ( Rebel rc )

[Rebelrc]

Have i killed this thread?

[Legacy555]

Originally Posted by Rebelrc

Just a quick question to anyone experienced with the new pre production/prototype 22's
I am led to believe that other mid cars try to get the motor as far back to the diff as possible and also buried over the rear wheels as much as possible? Now the mid motored config on the 22 is much more forward in the car compared to that of all the other manufacturers.
Why is this? is it beneficial or just slightly compromised to give both rear and mid configurations
Regards
Scott ( Rebel rc )

Hi Scott,
Don't know about the 22, but I can say that I have found the further forward the motor is in the CR2 the better. I bought a 4 gear gearbox that allows the motor to sit 8 - 10 mm further back - used it once and went straight back to the idler mod setup that pushes the motor as far forward as possible. The main difference that I noticed was that I could adjust the pitch of the car in the air much more easily with the motor mounted further forward. It is also better on slippy sections of the track with the motor further forward.
Hope you find this info useful.
Regards,
Will

[Reevsey]

Originally Posted by sparrow.2

I bet you can get the speedo down lower too with a bit of ingenious tetris and wiring.

Electrics install behind the servo is no issue, If you have a short stubby servo you can fit in a speedo/std receiver and pt on top of the servo so very similarto a CR2, If you use a very small receiver such as Spektrum you can even fit a Castle Mamba max in which has to be one of the biggest speedo's on the market so there are no issues

Si

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by Legacy555

Hi Scott,
Don't know about the 22, but I can say that I have found the further forward the motor is in the CR2 the better. I bought a 4 gear gearbox that allows the motor to sit 8 - 10 mm further back - used it once and went straight back to the idler mod setup that pushes the motor as far forward as possible. The main difference that I noticed was that I could adjust the pitch of the car in the air much more easily with the motor mounted further forward. It is also better on slippy sections of the track with the motor further forward.
Hope you find this info useful.
Regards,
Will

The effect you noticed is very much there but it is NOT motor position it is to do with the relative rotations of the topshaft/slipper/spur assembly to the other heavy rotating components on the car, namely the wheels/diff/driveshafts and the motors rotor.

Some people prefer the 4 gear internal design (X6,MCS,SV,02C and now 22), others prefer the external idler design (CR2 and Scorpion) for this very reason! It was always my preference for the Scorpion design.

As with everything in this hobby it's all a matter of personal preferences.

[Chrislong]

Trial and error, and sometimes there is no difference - but the belief and the confidence is enough to go faster..

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by Rebelrc

Just a quick question to anyone experienced with the new pre production/prototype 22's
I am led to believe that other mid cars try to get the motor as far back to the diff as possible and also buried over the rear wheels as much as possible? Now the mid motored config on the 22 is much more forward in the car compared to that of all the other manufacturers.
Why is this? is it beneficial or just slightly compromised to give both rear and mid configurations
Regards
Scott ( Rebel rc )

It's not 100% necessary to have the motor further forward to give the option of switching between mid and rear but it does help!
Had to work really hard to get the Scorpion to be able to be built in both configurations with the motor as close to the diff line as it is on the original RB5.

So that will be 2 cars on the market that can run in both mid and rear motored configurations when the 22 comes out ... 3 when the Durango breaks cover.

My guess though is that the TLR design team found that the 4 gear internal transmission locked in the rear end of the car a little more than they wanted so moved the motor forward to combat that and aid rotaion.

Either way I doubt that it was the 'easy option' or an 'afterthought' as the car looks to be very well designed and it is obvious many many hours of thinking went in to it.

Interested to see how it goes

[triplesix]

Quote:

Haha, so is mine!

I was born the 22nd of December, so I guess, it's a sign.

[Legacy555]

Originally Posted by RogerM

The effect you noticed is very much there but it is NOT motor position it is to do with the relative rotations of the topshaft/slipper/spur assembly to the other heavy rotating components on the car, namely the wheels/diff/driveshafts and the motors rotor.

Some people prefer the 4 gear internal design (X6,MCS,SV,02C and now 22), others prefer the external idler design (CR2 and Scorpion) for this very reason! It was always my preference for the Scorpion design.

As with everything in this hobby it's all a matter of personal preferences.

Hi Roger, I completely agree with what you're saying. However, none of the drivetrain components that you mention were displaced from their "stock" positions except for 2 idlers. The idlers have such a small diameter and inertia that I'd dismiss these as rotational influences whilst the car is in the air. I'll have to go away and think about it more, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced that the difference in handling was completely motor position related..... we'll come back to this after I play a bit more at the weekend.

[RogerM]

Anybody know when the first public run is by the team? Will it be Petit / BWOC or not until the car is available?

I would really like to look over one, always liked the design solutions Losi use, very creative. Shame I have never got on with the handling of the cars but I do admire the "think outside of the box" designs.

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by Legacy555

Hi Roger, I completely agree with what you're saying. However, none of the drivetrain components that you mention were displaced from their "stock" positions except for 2 idlers. The idlers have such a small diameter and inertia that I'd dismiss these as rotational influences whilst the car is in the air. I'll have to go away and think about it more, but at the moment I'm fairly convinced that the difference in handling was completely motor position related..... we'll come back to this after I play a bit more at the weekend.

Forget the idlers ... far too small in mass to have a major effect over the other components listed!

It is all about the rotation of the top shaft.

External idler

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, topshaft, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

both idler gears

4 gear internal

anticlockwise direction;

pinion, 1st idler, diff/shafts/wheels

clockwise direction;

topshaft, 2nd idler


Quite a bit of mass in the topshaft assmebly ....

If it doesn't make sense draw a quick picture .... I will try to later if I can get it to upload.