Why do we have MEP's who come out with twaddle!!! - Page 2

bigred5765 · #21 07-06-2007

plus i bet the ship would produce more co2 as the passenger liner we were on not to long ago this year burned or used 500 gallons a hour of heavy diesel oil OMG

Chrislong · #22 07-06-2007

Next they'll try telling us not to binge drink!

I swear politicians wear t-shirts under there shirts saying "Im the daddy".

Chris

Lee · #23 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by bigred5765

plus i bet the ship would produce more co2 as the passenger liner we were on not to long ago this year burned or used 500 gallons a hour of heavy diesel oil OMG

Good to see your helping towards global warming, its still cold up here in durham, i think you need another cruise

Lee · #24 07-06-2007

To be honest the fuels nowadays are very clean to what they used to be, i have recently been doing some work for shell and they say that the emitted CO2 from our cars is peanuts and nothing like the figures quoted.
It is just another hidden tax, plus there is still another 40-50 years of oil in the north sea which is as much as BP and shell thought there was back in the sixties.
There is also a hell of a lot of oil out in canada, Kazakhstan, azerbaijan and the russian federation. let alone china etc etc, so it is very unlikely that we will be seeing any new fuels developed by the big oil companies in the near future as they are investing heavily out in Kaz and russia right now.

By the way if any engineers on here fancy some work in kazakhstan let me know, its tax free too.

Richard Lowe · #25 07-06-2007

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Mr Davies notes that between 1994 and 2004 the power of new cars went up by 28%, making them a lot heavier, and so increasing the amount of CO2 they put out, even though no country raised its speed limit to allow cars to use this increased power.

The reason they are heavier is because of all the extra safety stuff they have now! Thing is, how many car's can't go over 100 these days; ignoring supermini's with lawnmower engines in?
My almighty (1.6

) Astra does it no problem, and it not exactly a fast car in a straight line.

Politicians live in their own little world, how can you enforce the same speed limit on the same road for a big lorry and a performance car with big brakes and fat tires

Oscar · #26 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by DCM

I will admit, as much as we decrease our CO2, China, Japan, Taiwan and America are increasing, at a scary rate.

The likes of China & India are only increasing their Co2 because countries like ourselves no longer manufacture anything, we now seem happier to just buy everything in. If everyone stopped trading with them I guess their Co2 would start to fall also.

tc2k · #27 07-06-2007

Fact was given on the news a while ago that if everybody in the UK stopped driving, Chinas increase in CO2 would make up the deficit in 30 days

Nick Goodall · #28 07-06-2007

I heard some crazy stat that due to importing with huge boats etc, if you drink so much as 3 Bottles of Evian water, you're actually contributing to as much pollution as the average family car will create in 1 year!

DCM · #29 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Look at the Autobahn's in Germany, they have less accidents than we do on our motorways and they don't even have a speed limit.

Only certain parts of the Autobahn are unlimited, most are restricted.

Carbon emissions do have a negative effect, but rather than try to push more and more out of a fossil fuel, lets go down different fuel routes.

As for cars, able to safely do over 100MPH, I totally agree, whether the majority of drivers can cope with those speeds is another thing. Personaly, I would rather see cars GPS restricted so that in built up areas, they are electronically limited to 20/30/40/50 etc....

Also, I would like to see a power limit for new users, just like you do in motorbikes, mainly to stop the tossers (male and female) ripping round estates in their dodgy Corsa's etc, not tax, insurance or MOT, let them have small cars, limited power and cheap insurance so they have no excuse over it.

jimmy · #30 07-06-2007

Carbon emissions are a load of tosh if you ask me. 50 years ago it was an ice age coming.

Chrislong · #31 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by DCM

Only certain parts of the Autobahn are unlimited, most are restricted.

Carbon emissions do have a negative effect, but rather than try to push more and more out of a fossil fuel, lets go down different fuel routes.

As for cars, able to safely do over 100MPH, I totally agree, whether the majority of drivers can cope with those speeds is another thing. Personaly, I would rather see cars GPS restricted so that in built up areas, they are electronically limited to 20/30/40/50 etc....

Also, I would like to see a power limit for new users, just like you do in motorbikes, mainly to stop the tossers (male and female) ripping round estates in their dodgy Corsa's etc, not tax, insurance or MOT, let them have small cars, limited power and cheap insurance so they have no excuse over it.

Well said, but also link to the speed limiter should be a stereo volume limiter

Gaz_Stanton · #32 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by pidge

banned planes!

That's another over-hyped load of BS that's been started as it could be a nice little earner for the goverment!

The global aviation industry as a whole only puts out 2-3% of CO2 emissions yet it's being given a bad rep as there's money to be made from extra taxes using the 'Green' label as justication for it!

Don't believe everything these politicians say as they are really struggling to justify their BS figures as anything near reality...

DCM · #33 07-06-2007

it is all subjective though, a plane only only half full is innefficient in the amount of pollution to passengers whereas a full plane, especially the likes aof a 747, the carbon off-set per passenger is far less.

I agree though, governments use a 'Green Tax' as another way of raising money from you.... and I think people would swallow it better if the money earnt off tax was ring fenced to making energy plants from renewable sources. Although you try to get planning permission for a windfarm.... jeeez

dave p hall · #34 07-06-2007

i personnaly travel at 90mph tops on motorways,what gets me is people who say speeding kills,end of story.when in fact its the drivers who dont aply speed to the conditions they are in.one example which realy scares me is when i travel in fog,the amount of drivers who still bomb along.it just beggers belief what goes through their minds.theres got to be more traffic police on the road for me.

Medders · #35 07-06-2007

[quote=pidge;43465]i think your wrong personally.

utterly wrong.

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DCM · #36 07-06-2007

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Originally Posted by dave p hall

i personnaly travel at 90mph tops on motorways,what gets me is people who say speeding kills,end of story.when in fact its the drivers who dont aply speed to the conditions they are in.one example which realy scares me is when i travel in fog,the amount of drivers who still bomb along.it just beggers belief what goes through their minds.theres got to be more traffic police on the road for me.

This government Policies this country to the lowest common denominator.... so as far as they are concerned, we are all paedophilles, so the 99.99999% of parents can't film their childs Christmas Panto, take pictures etc, so why not drivers too.... If you are subjective then crime rates go down, I do the school run every day, and when I drive past the local comp, kids are coming OUT of it after 9am.... but truancy is down... This government has mucked things up a bit.

Anyhows, we digress about the thread and should try to keep on the Carbon Creidits track.. Did you know, the government gives grants to replace old central heating boilers, so I phoned them up, but there is a catch... your boiler got to either be broke or condemmed, but it takes about 6-8 weeks to process the paperwork..... and they want us being fuel efficient??

MK999 · #37 07-06-2007

limiting cars to 100 doesn't really achieve much, very few accidents happen at over 100, and in the few cases they do, chances are it's fatal, wouldn't make me feel much better knowing that i'm being limited to something above the fatal speed, what does that achieve, a bit less mess for the highway maintenance guys to clear up?

The problem with GPS limiting cars to lower speeds, is if you pull out of a junction without looking properly first or any other similar situation, like someone pulls out to overtake at the same time as you on a 3 lane road when they shouldn't and you need to put your foot down to avoid an accident, the gps limiter/100mph limiter kicks in and causes rather than stops an accident. Rare occurances maybe, a gps limiter would save more lives than it killed probably. But why do we have to constantly encounter limits and restrictions on us, does it stop before we're told what to eat each day, when and how, and then when to sleep?

DCM · #38 07-06-2007

I think some of the reasons is because, most of us do things in moderation, like speeding, but only on open roads where it is safe, or drinking moderately, but there is getting more and more people who think that road safety is someone elses problem, same as drinking in excess... but they still expect them to be picked up and stitched up when they split the forehead open falling over whilst pissed.

There was mention that those, who are pissed and have accidents, may well be charged a small fee for treatment, whilst this goes against the grain of why we have the NHS.... but things have changed since it was setup, and if you can't control your drinking, get so pissed you hurt yourself, should you be treated for free?