Kyosho Inferno VE or more realistically for the attention of Marvin!

[justleanitupabit]

Simon,

What are your opinions on this as it comes out of the box?

Obviously its a 777 set-up but as a starting point but it looks to my nitro eyes quite a good entry into BL RallyX.

Thoughts?

[Marvin]

Hey Ryan - ready to join the better side?

About the VE:

It's an MP7.5 - like all other Kyosho RTRs they are a rehash of older designs. I'm not keen on the Orion brushless system either.

So, yep, I'm a fan!

If you wanted RTR - get a Caster, or better, an HPI Vorza Flux - though I know you didn't get on with the D8.

Otherwise, convert an older car, stick a Castle Creations Mamba Monster Max ESC in there, get a couple of Hyperion or Zippy LiPos, and a Neu or Castle motor and you're set to go.

[justleanitupabit]

Not really but I would like to support this for our club racing - wouldn't drop nitro for it.


Isn't the castor more or less an MBX5 copy?

[Marvin]

Yes, pretty much. The electronics in it are a little sub-par, but should be fine overall.

[Neil Skull]

Originally Posted by Marvin

Hey Ryan - ready to join the better side?

Hi Marvin,
the VE has a lot going for it in my opinion.

About the VE:

It's an MP7.5 - like all other Kyosho RTRs they are a rehash of older designs. I'm not keen on the Orion brushless system either.

yes it is a 7.5 these are still the preffered chassis for the rtr as they are a very strong car and suffer a lot abuse.

The orion brushless system is the exact same ESC as is sold for the competition guys. the motor is a 2 pole motor so has lots of torque. the competiton guys normally go for a smoother and often slower 4 pole motor.
it auto detects 2 3 or 4 cell options and sets power delivery accordingly.

we think the 2 cell option gives a very good entry level speed for a beginner.


So, yep, I'm a fan!

If you wanted RTR - get a Caster, or better, an HPI Vorza Flux - though I know you didn't get on with the D8.

Otherwise, convert an older car, stick a Castle Creations Mamba Monster Max ESC in there, get a couple of Hyperion or Zippy LiPos, and a Neu or Castle motor and you're set to go.

The VE sells at a good price for the whole readyset. the electrics on their own would cost almost the same as the readyset,

I am not sure of the cost castle creation motor and esc price but would be interested to know street price.


The biggest factor to consider in this class is water damage.
Its very difficult to waterproof fully the electrics. So if you looking to run in all weather conditions i would steer clear of 1/8th Electric for now.

[Marvin]

2 cell? 1/8th? Oh - looking for efficiency there then! The complete Castle System is around £230 ish in the UK, but easily impoted for nearer £160. Not to mention that its value should be higher as it is simply better.

Where you're saying that the MP7.5 is the car of choice for RTRs because it suffers lots of abuse, does that mean the more recent designs are weak?

Not a lot you can do waterproofing wise though - bar running the ESC in a self contained 'oil bath'.

[Neil Skull]

Marvin,
We have shown the VE to many shops and customers and magazines.
The feedback is the car is solid and strong.
It is a 7.5 Inferno a car that was wholly designed by Kyosho to win the world championship. This it succeded to do twice.
So the design of the car is that of a purebreed racer unlike the ones you quoted.
I dont think the others are bad cars especially,Its just that the VE is worth considering in this market for many reasons and not to be dismissed too easy.
The other comment we had is that option to run the car with 3 different power settings that coud give you up to one hour of running on one pack of batteries is a great selling point to those people who want to start in rallycross. you can easily change between the one pack, two packs in series or parallel for 7.2 or 14.4 volts. or 3 cell packs for somewhere in the middle. I can imagine that a racer will want 14.4 volts for speed but if they had a son or a daughter its real easy to run at 7.2 volts for less speed. I would call it beginner mode.

Castle creation ESC and motors are very good but consider the price in comparison to a whole car of about £350!!!

I never reccomend buying products overseas as you are very unlikely to get any warranty cover. Also at the price you quoted you are not including duty i guess?

The modern competition cars are designed more for performance, some makes are very strong and withstands more abuse than others.
But the 7.5 has a reputation for being built like a tank and yet can still hold its own on a track.

As a final comment you said Kyoso RTR's are a re-hash of old designs!!!!!

Kyosho make approx 20 ready to run cars. Apart from the 7.5 they are all original designs.

If you want to dig further back Kyosho was one of the makes that started making Radio control cars available to the masses. If you look at many of the cars on the market today they owe a lot to Kyosho.

[Marvin]

Firstly, would it not be 7.4V and multiples of?

Secondly, I mentioned the Vorza Flux - based off the D8, which is the current world champion - so 'oh the 7.5 won the worlds x years ago' doesn't count for that much in comparison.

I apologise for my sweeping statement - I should've been more specific in that Kyosho 1/8th Rallycross and Truggy RTRs are rehashes.

Running lower voltage is fine, now you have clarified about a 'beginner level', and you aren't falsely proclaiming that they'll run best at 2S.

I do not believe that 1hr run times (bashing presumeably) are widely available unless you have conservative gearing, are running 14.8V and an 8000mAh+ pack. Though that is beside the point.

No I was not factoring in import tax (though this is not a guaranteed addition). Castle's warranty does not involve dealer/distributor service - Castle generally deals direct, and I have found their (and Tekin's) service very good, considering I purchased both from the US.

Fair enough if you feel the 7.5 is enough - it keeps costs down, but why do Kyosho not feel inclined to do newer designed RTRs - Hobao are another 'guilty' party - as beginner race packages, with a trimmed down MP9 and a cheapish Orion engine, surely these would sell well? Or is it that a RTR MP9 would mean a large price reduction on the full blown race-spec?

I don't deny/doubt that Kyosho got the ball rolling - their many victories prove this.

[Neil Skull]

Hi Marvin,

Sorry i keep forgetting Lipos are 3.7 volt I am still using Nimh so i still talk 7.2

so the options are 7.4 11.1 or 14.8 volt
for extra long run time use 2 x approx 4000 mah lipos wired together at 7.4 volts. thats the 8000mah capacity you mentioned.

The D8 is a good example of a very fast car in the right hands, but i have to be honest and consider it not to be the strongest car on the market.
Thats just my opinion of what i have seen at the tracks but of course i am biased!! so thats not a fair opinion.

Tekin and Castle creations are great products but both distributed in the UK by different companies. So i guess if you can deal direct with the USA then at least you have some comeback if you get a problem.

For an MP9 ready to run its simple why this will not happen at present.

Kyosho as far as i understand are the only company who still make their Competiton kits in house.(possibly excluding X-ray) who are based in a cheap labour area.
So the MP9 etc is made in Japan.

When the Mp777 was released the 7.5 tooling was sent to China to be used for making readysets. The exception being the plastic Moulds, this is because the plastic parts are still made in japan and shipped to China for assembling. The reason being is that the quailty of plastic from China varies a lot.

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by Neil Skull

Hi Marvin,

Sorry i keep forgetting Lipos are 3.7 volt I am still using Nimh so i still talk 7.2

so the options are 7.4 11.1 or 14.8 volt
for extra long run time use 2 x approx 4000 mah lipos wired together at 7.4 volts. thats the 8000mah capacity you mentioned.

The D8 is a good example of a very fast car in the right hands, but i have to be honest and consider it not to be the strongest car on the market.
Thats just my opinion of what i have seen at the tracks but of course i am biased!! so thats not a fair opinion.

Tekin and Castle creations are great products but both distributed in the UK by different companies. So i guess if you can deal direct with the USA then at least you have some comeback if you get a problem.

For an MP9 ready to run its simple why this will not happen at present.

Kyosho as far as i understand are the only company who still make their Competiton kits in house.(possibly excluding X-ray) who are based in a cheap labour area.
So the MP9 etc is made in Japan.

When the Mp777 was released the 7.5 tooling was sent to China to be used for making readysets. The exception being the plastic Moulds, this is because the plastic parts are still made in japan and shipped to China for assembling. The reason being is that the quailty of plastic from China varies a lot.

The D8 I had was like a tank, but that doesn't really matter.

Definately excluding Xray - but in my opinion (and many others) the Xray has higher quality than the Kyosho. It has improved a lot for the MP9, but the Xray still rules the roost in this regard.

The labour isn't that cheap in comparison either - it's a lot more expensive than China.

Fair enough on the split manufacturing plants - and no duplicate moulds required. Though a 'premium' readyset would be well received I'd have thought.

[jasonwipf]

Ya Kyosho, mugen and Xray have some the best quality parts with Xray being tops. While I run Mugen I am so waiting to see a Durango 1/8th electric. Any idea how their parts quality will compare? I'm expecting them to be on par with X-ray.

[gnr racer]

Originally Posted by Marvin

2 cell? 1/8th? Oh - looking for efficiency there then! The complete Castle System is around £230 ish in the UK, but easily impoted for nearer £160. Not to mention that its value should be higher as it is simply better.

Where you're saying that the MP7.5 is the car of choice for RTRs because it suffers lots of abuse, does that mean the more recent designs are weak?

Not a lot you can do waterproofing wise though - bar running the ESC in a self contained 'oil bath'.

I couldnt find the castle system for anywhere near £230 in trhe uk??
to import from rc monster the v3 speedo & 1800kv cost me £245 with customs & parcel force 'release fee'
...and that was with rc monster marking the package down to half its value!

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by jasonwipf

Ya Kyosho, mugen and Xray have some the best quality parts with Xray being tops. While I run Mugen I am so waiting to see a Durango 1/8th electric. Any idea how their parts quality will compare? I'm expecting them to be on par with X-ray.

The DEX410 isn't on par in my opinion. While the metal parts are nice, the plastics aren't close.

GNR Racer - prices must have changed a lot - it was a while since I had mine, but they were the prices when I bought it.