What caused this ?

[jimmy]

Neil used to use corallys, I have photo evidence! lol. At that level, i can understand it. For me it makes no sense what so ever. If you wire your corallys up properly they wont fall out anyway - a long length of wire that is free to wave about and a forward facing corally can pull out, just wire it different and if the connector is old, replace it.

I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder because of the bad connection. but they were 3/4 years old!

[DCM]

I will admit, on batteries, I use Corally, and as long as the tube is in good nick, and your wiring is tidy and neat, then the only way you will get a disconnect is if your cells shift, and then that could be a good thing anyways.

[LiamD]

Mark, on the first page you said Adam's car got hit before it went up in smoke, not quite true if you ask him. He told me the car just died and he tried to steer it off the track.

I think Adam solders his cells in as normally he's racing in the top 10 at nationals, so you try to minimise the risk of anything stopping your race... hence, soldering the cells in. Most top 12th drivers do it.

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by jimmy

Neil used to use corrallys, I have photo evidence! lol. At that level, i can understand it. For me it makes no sense what so ever. If you wire your corrallys up properly they wont fall out anyway - a long length of wire that is free to wave about and a forward facing corally can pull out, just wire it different and if the connector is old, replace it.

I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder because of the bad connection. but they were 3/4 years old!

yeah I'm sure must people at one time or another have used em and loved or hated them,it's down to personnel choice,ares is to solder.
I'm not saying its for everyone,
and Richard look here what jimmy has just wrote
(I used to use DEANS, some of them got loose - not loose enough to come apart but loose enough to desolder )
do you think it desolderd because of the lower Resistance lol
no it desoldered because of a heat build up caused buy shorting my point exactly,yippee cheers jimmy not just us it happened to then

[shinytopman]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Please explain Carl how lowering the resistence in the battery connection, and therefore increasing the current the speedo can draw, can make things run cooler?!

Resistance = Heat!

[shinytopman]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

god how many times have i had to use a screwdriver to stretch the springs on them,

If your having to stretch the spring then it was knackered in the first place and needed replacing.
If a knackered connector is changed then it might not fall out at the most inappropriate time....

[Richard Lowe]

Carl Carl Carl, read what I wrote again

I never said a higher resistance connector generates no heat, I said I don't understand how soldering the cells directly to the speedo can reduce the temperature of the speedo, motor and batteries as you claimed. If anything it's going to be the other way round, removing resistance between the cells and the speedo will let the speedo draw more current and actually make everything get hotter.
If your corallys are getting hot enough to desolder you need to look into your car prep, thats user error not the fault of the connector

It's personal preference as to weather you solder or pulg your cells in, but you can't use "but Mr xxxx does it" as the basis for your discussion as there are no facts to back it up. Please explain how a lower resistance connection between the cells and the speedo reduces motor/speedo temperature.

Besides Neil runs a B4 not a CR, so by your logic your Matt should be running one too

[Medders]

I think I'll start glueing my thumbs to the tranny sticks, just in case they should come off mid-race.

[Richard Lowe]

Right just to be pedantic using a constant current load a corally connector (3 years old from my B4 ) has the same voltage drop and therefore resistance, as roughly 5cm of typical power wire. That includes the resistance of the copper bar and the solder joint connecting the corally tube to the cell.

:::edit::: Just for more comedy effect, it should work out to be about 0.012v drop at 30 amps.

How long are the wire runs in that XX4 Carl?!

[Spencer Mulcahy]

I used to solder my batteries in but gone back to corallys because just before a race I put a set of cells in which where not charged and could not change quick enough to make the race( having to desolder the cells). This is my personal preferance. (Any driver can make a mistake like that and dont say they cant.)

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Carl Carl Carl, read what I wrote again

I never said a higher resistance connector generates no heat, I said I don't understand how soldering the cells directly to the speedo can reduce the temperature of the speedo, motor and batteries as you claimed. If anything it's going to be the other way round, removing resistance between the cells and the speedo will let the speedo draw more current and actually make everything get hotter.
If your corallys are getting hot enough to desolder you need to look into your car prep, thats user error not the fault of the connector

It's personal preference as to weather you solder or pulg your cells in, but you can't use "but Mr xxxx does it" as the basis for your discussion as there are no facts to back it up. Please explain how a lower resistance connection between the cells and the speedo reduces motor/speedo temperature.

Besides Neil runs a B4 not a CR, so by your logic your Matt should be running one too

richard richard richard
god im bored already,
read what i wrote, i never said soldering directly reduced the heat in the car, i said since i stopped useing corllays and deans plugs (well i didnt say ether plug buy name) but since i stopped useing them (because they shorted out causing heat, the heat in the car is less,
which if you had botherd to read is'nt the main reason i stopped using plugs (quote)
we lost a major final run for matty because connector come of )
and i would rather watch my car burn instaed of losing a run dew to crap connectors
and what the f++k is neils b4 owt to do we me not running one
buy my logic wtf

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Right just to be pedantic using a constant current load a corally connector (3 years old from my B4 ) has the same voltage drop and therefore resistance, as roughly 5cm of typical power wire. That includes the resistance of the copper bar and the solder joint connecting the corally tube to the cell.

:::edit::: Just for more comedy effect, it should work out to be about 0.012v drop at 30 amps.

How long are the wire runs in that XX4 Carl?!

just to be pedantic SPOT ON
COMEDY EFFECT
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW HOW
so come on Richard prove to me why almost all the big boys are wrong
and ill go back to corrallys
just for comedy affect
i obviously after 25 years of racing have no idea
why do they do it please tell me
i don't know
but do you

[PaulRotheram]

comedy.

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by PaulRotheram

comedy.

quality


ooops sorry wrong thread wrong site
lol
it getting my post count up i hope jimmy hasnt cottoned on
oops he will now

[Chrislong]

Can I participate????

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

If your corallys are getting hot enough to desolder you need to look into your car prep, thats user error not the fault of the connector

Rich,
I have recently had this. The cause being I was using brand #1 male corally type plugs and brand #2 corally type tubes. Although they felt secure, I had the tubes desolder from my cells as the resistance was so HIGH.

I went to soldering cells for most of the winter.

Now, I have gone to the LRP silver connectors, and they work great. A real nice fit and look cool too. And since they are the only silver version, I won't be mixing/matching my connectors ever again.



Carl,
For the tiny advantage in reduced resistance in direct soldering, it is far outweighed in the huge disadvantage in that its a right freckin pain in the arse!!! Then when an ESC goes up in smoke... well... you'll find wire cutters aren't easy to find trackside.

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Anyway I hope the geezer gets his speedo sorted fixed for free very expensive things these speedos. And I dont mean the swimming attire.

[Jony]

Wow, this thread is "heating up". I hope it doesn't turn into a "flame" war. Heating up, flame, get it? I'm here all week.

Sorry. Worst joke ever.

[Richard Lowe]

hehe this is funny

Not to be awkward Carl but you have an amazing habit of quoting people out of context to your own advantage.

Originally Posted by bigred5765

do you think it desolderd because of the lower Resistance lol
no it desoldered because of a heat build up caused buy shorting my point exactly,yippee cheers jimmy not just us it happened to then

Reads a bit differently with the last bit added back on
(That would be arcing btw)

Originally Posted by bigred5765

so come on Richard prove to me why almost all the big boys are wrong
and ill go back to corrallys
i obviously after 25 years of racing have no idea
why do they do it please tell me
i don't know
but do you

I never said it was wrong to solder cells in, I origonally asked how it could keep the electrics cooler. I don't know why people bother to do it for the miniscule voltage increase the speedo sees, thats my point. Prove to us why you apparently must solder cells in.
It's certainly not for an increase in power as lots of people these days claim to be able to make their car too fast for the track, other than the connector falling out due to poor car prep why do people do it?

Originally Posted by bigred5765

COMEDY EFFECT
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW HOW

Now now play nice

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Chris long

Can I participate????



Rich,
I have recently had this. The cause being I was using brand #1 male corally type plugs and brand #2 corally type tubes. Although they felt secure, I had the tubes desolder from my cells as the resistance was so HIGH.

I went to soldering cells for most of the winter.

Now, I have gone to the LRP silver connectors, and they work great. A real nice fit and look cool too. And since they are the only silver version, I won't be mixing/matching my connectors ever again.



Carl,
For the tiny advantage in reduced resistance in direct soldering, it is far outweighed in the huge disadvantage in that its a right frickin pain in the arse!!! Then when an ESC goes up in smoke... well... you'll find wire cutters aren't easy to find track side.

o i agree with you Chris
some times soldering is a right pain in the ass and yes we've run back to the pit table because i forgot to solder em up
I didn't know there were 2 different kinds of corrallys,
please explain may be there in was our problem
but as i said i only really changed over because we had a connector fall of mid stream a good race
whats these LRP ones like i come see at batley if thats OK??

[big si]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

Now, I have gone to the LRP silver connectors, and they work great. A real nice fit and look cool too. And since they are the only silver version, I won't be mixing/matching my connectors ever again.

would you be able to tell me where you got them (and dont say lrp lol) i mean what shops stock them in the uk