Is NRX suitable for 10th racing??

[wacattack]

In all seriousness this should be taken constructively by both racers and event organisers. Without clubs, there are no racers, but without racers there are no clubs.

If some of the points made on here are taken in the right way (ignore the rubbish), it could be turned into a positive.

At the end of the day people just want to race, and have fun. If there are reasons people arent enjoying racing at a particular venue then i think the comments have to be taken on board. Im sure everyone here wished the meeting was a resounding success, but clearly there are some areas for improvement.

Some peole also seem to think that offroad racing means anything goes. I have to disagree. For me the main part of what we do is primarily to race, and secondary to negotiate jumps, obstacles etc, and NOT the other way round. Every car has limitations to what it is capable of, the track i believe stretches it too far. To Craigs point in an earlier post, Steve Lawson had to redo his shocks 3 times as they were popping through too much punishment within each run. Is this what you expect?!

Also, if this is a work in progress, was it too soon to hold a regional? Should they have waited until next year when the track is as the club would like?

I digress

[turbo_brick]

The track could be changed, improvements made, but what would the point really be, to run 2 regionals a year which probably wouldn't be well attended as this one wasn't.

Peter

[Richard Lowe]

I think everyone needs to take a minute from this, observing the thread a few have started arguing for the sake of it and lost sight of the original question.

The appreciation for the time and effort put in by the club was never in doubt, or even called into doubt. I'm sure everyone can understand the time that goes into something like this, and reading through the thread without bias (I wasn't there on the day, so can't really give my objective thoughts on the track) the more hostile posts have come from the people involved in the club - understandably frustrated.

In this last page the sarcasm about jelly track markings ect. is a bit childish and unconstructive, and if I were 'on the other side' I'd take it as offensive. No point falling out with people over something like this, lets keep it civilised people

I must admit that one of the reasons I chose not to go was after seeing the video's of 10th's going round the track it put me off. But from what I could tell from the video's the problems people have had with the track have been more to do with possibly a little in-experience on the track builders part, not lack of effort as overall the venue looks great. There's only so much our little cars can do, and just telling people to slow down isn't really a solution to the problem if the track is the wrong scale for the cars. Having a line of bricks across the track and then telling people to raise their ride height to cope isn't really helping, and is much the same attitude that seems to be being expressed here.
Going back to an earlier example of shocks blowing from the force of landing's, and people like Bulk - a national A finalist - having trouble getting down the straight, something's wrong with the track. Then again Craig runs yellow wheels and isn't as good as Wayne, so ignore that example

Don't give up so easily NRX guys, one troubled meeting isn't a reason to pack it in just like that! The venue looks good and could be great with a bit of tweaking and slightly different layout to best make use of the features, things like this take time and experience to get right

[Medders]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

I think everyone needs to take a minute from this, observing the thread a few have started arguing for the sake of it and lost sight of the original question.

The appreciation for the time and effort put in by the club was never in doubt, or even called into doubt. I'm sure everyone can understand the time that goes into something like this, and reading through the thread without bias (I wasn't there on the day, so can't really give my thoughts on the track) the more hostile posts have come from the people involved in the club - understandably frustrated.

In this last page the sarcasm about jelly track markings ect. is a bit childish and unconstructive, and if I were 'on the other side' I'd take it as offensive. No point falling out with people over something like this, lets keep it civilised people

Goods points very well made. I for one never called into question the club itself, the meeting itself, or the the effort that went into it.

[bigchris]

having raced there with my 8th scale its great for that just a wee bit rough and perhaps sore on the cars for 10th.
great guys running the track though and meetings well run though

[Lee]

Out of interest and slightly off topic, what is clanfields like?

Thats an 8th dirt track and i know they have run 10th scale races on it and people raved about it, i cant imagine it being snooker table flat?

[Morto]

Ok people I missed this weekend as I was at work.

This is Morto here, in case any of you want to pull me to bits as you have NRX, but I've probably had more 1/10 scale cars than most of you. My first was 18 years ago. I have drove them on the roofs of buildings, car parks, the woods, sand pits, half pipes and much much more including my best mates sitting room!

So.

1st thing, Peter the guy doing all the work and working out the past "god knows how long" has put loads of effort into NRX being suitable for 1/10 scale buggies. Now bare in mind he has done this within the restrictions of the 1/8 scale Nitro folks that use this track (including himself every week) and are club members. And has tried to accommodate you lot in the best way NRX can, with help from the lads and lasses that bother to turn up.

NRX is an out door Nitro track and dont forget that!, it that has been"adjusted" to suit you lot wingey people. Now forgive me if I'm wrong here but I have not heard one good thing from you all. Your racing on a "out door" track with jumps bigger than me, if the sun is out you get burned, drive right you get a thrill...... and with a dedicated team of folks trying to make your racing as good as possible.....

Did you have......

Full timing gear?
Toilet?
Raised pit lane?
Insane track?
Good people?
Decent stand?
Insane jumps?

What more can an RC racer want?.....

Now ok, it may not be suitable for your average Chod Breath with a 1/10 scale electric buggy, but hold on. Is it not a drivers decision to make? weather the track should be taken slow or fast? I could run a unicycle round there all day without breaking anything. Ok I know most racers want the "thrill" of an insane track, but is that not what you have had?

The most insane RC track you will find around our area?

Now the world you live in is the RC world remember, there are more kinds of RC vehicles than there are people on this planet! So anybody who doesn't come back is clearly useless at adapting to a track or adapting it, which is something you have to do in this world. NRX will grow and it can adapt to all you likings, but pull it to bits and your trying to kill something you have not helped to grow.

2. If you want to compete at a higher level then get yourself a 1/8th scale electric buggy or nitro and stop racing on magic carpets. Or stop moaning that the "track" is to tough. Remember you are racing a buggy, designed by the best to be driven on the roughest terrain and nothing more.

3. Give the guys and girls some credit and feedback instead of pulling it to shreds.

I guarantee I will produce a video of me burning that track up in a 1/10th scale buggy lap after lap. And prove you all wrong if you don't.

If you want precision, go race round 2 cones. If you want a challenge come to NRX.

Morto.

NRX and all RC tracks and vehicles lover.

You all do a great job!

PS. Team2SR

[Morto]

Baja 1000 is an off-road race that takes place on Mexico's Baja California Peninsula in the fall. The event includes various types of vehicle classes such as small and large bore motorcycles, stock VW, production vehicles, buggies, trucks, and custom fabricated race vehicles. The course has remained relatively the same over the years with the majority of events being either a point to point race from Ensenada to La Paz, or a loop race starting and finishing in Ensenada. The name of the event is misleading as the mileage varies for the type of event (loop or point to point) and has represented Kilometers in the past.

The first official race started in Tijuana, Baja California, on October 31, 1967, and was named the NORRA Mexican 1000 Rally. The course length that year was 849 miles (1,366 km) and ended in La Paz, Baja California Sur, with the overall winning time of 27 hours 38 minutes (27:38) set by Vic Wilson and Ted Mangels while driving a Meyers Manx buggy.

From 1967 to 1972 the race was organized by the National Off Road Racing Association (NORRA). In 1973, Baja California governor Milton Castellanos handed over sanctioning of the event to a non-profit Mexican corporation called Baja Sports Committee (BSC). BSC renamed the event to Baja Mil (Baja 1000) and scheduled the race to run on the original dates chosen by NORRA.

Though NORRA held a competing event in the United States that same weekend, BSC successfully ran the race from Ensenada to La Paz like the years prior. Unaware of the challenges, BSC found promoting Baja races more difficult than anticipated. Instead of giving up the race, the Mexican government requested help from Short Course Off-Road Enterprises (SCORE) in hosting and promoting future Baja races. Through negotiations with Mickey Thompson and his SCORE organization, the Government agreed to give exclusive rights to SCORE to hold Baja races and also reluctantly allowed SCORE to cancel the event for 1974. SCORE hired Sal Fish as president and took control of the Baja 1000 from that year on with the Baja 1000 race resuming under new control in 1975.

I made this post to try and give some of the people on here a look into what off road means!

[Richard Lowe]

And the attitude continues (Post #108)

What on earth did the last post have to do with anything

[turbo_brick]

To be honest, I think everyone accepts the track has limitations, the people that have spent countless weekends up there trying to accomodate as many classes as possible will try to protect it,

What annoys me is that no-one can comment face to face on the day at this or any regional, they just wait till they get home and have a go on the internet,

Peter

[telboy]

Seriously though, the event was good, the venue is good, the team is good. BUT, there are improvement that need to be made.
And as Rich Lowe says, most of the 'agitated' posts on here do seem to be from people from the club, and not from the racers that were there on sunday. Which I understand, due to all the hard work that has gone into the meeting, but that is not in dispute AT ALL.

All the track needs is a few points 'ironing out' to make it more suitable for 1/10th. Is that such a bad thing to request, seeing as it was put forward to host a 'BRCA 1/10th' meeting?

I think to pull out all together, without giving the club a chance to prove to all the 'moaners' on here that it can be done, is wrong.
The best thing to do would be to sort the points brought forward by this 'discussion' and show eveyone at the final 4wd event that the club is as ACE as it was reccomended.

I'm sure that if we go to Blythe and the track is not to peoples liking, then we will work harder and get things sorted for the next race there. Not get moody at people's comments and quit straight away.

Come back fighting NRX, and prove us all wrong.

[telboy]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

What annoys me is that no-one can comment face to face on the day at this or any regional, they just wait till they get home and have a go on the internet,

Peter

We all made our concerns about the 'logs' first thing in the morning, and reccomened to put some astro over to protect the cars....only to be told no.

[turbo_brick]

Originally Posted by telboy

I think to pull out all together, without giving the club a chance to prove to all the 'moaners' on here that it can be done, is wrong.
The best thing to do would be to sort the points brought forward by this 'discussion' and show eveyone at the final 4wd event that the club is as ACE as it was reccomended.

I'm sure that if we go to Blythe and the track is not to peoples liking, then we will work harder and get things sorted for the next race there. Not get moody at people's comments and quit straight away.

Come back fighting NRX, and prove us all wrong.

The difference is blyth wil be a predominantly 1/10th club, NRX isn't and I don't think ever will be, the only reason I put it forward is a few other clubs did not want to host a regional.

To be honest I could go on defending the club till the cows come home (with all this extra spare time I have according to lee )

They could completely redo the track and turn it into a 1/10th style track but and here's the big one they wouldn't have enough support and it would not make commercial sense for the club to do that, or they can pull out of the other regional as they have and go back to there 1/8th meetings.

Peter

[baD]

jimmi - absolutely bloody priceless never mind what anybody else says, it was worth reading through a lot of drivel to get to yours.

Some thoughts spring to mind...........
Maybe the professional racers (I said racers, not moaners) will progress on to Rallying 1:1 scale, and then ask the organisers to, move that rock, remove that tree, take the route on the low road, not the one with the big cliff at the side, fill in that pot hole , oh , and can you melt the ice and snow in scandinavia before we arrive so we don't go skidding off etc.......

Why have I been breaking bits on my cars for years (and years) and get told by the A finalists to remember to brake at corners and don't go flat out on certian bits as my setup is all wrong, and then find A finalists etc break their cars a little too often and it's the track at fault. Did the track move since the last lap?

Why do we find guys complaining the jumps are too high, cars get broken when they land, and find some of these are the first ones to ramp the bloody things up any nearby hump/jump/ramp just to see how high it will go, usually during the slow controlled warm up lap or more likely 10 seconds after Race Over has been announced!

Please note - I have watched 1:10 buggys go round this track, from trackside - I would have been there but for food poisoning - it's rough, but drivable as evidenced by the guys postings on here who knew what there own and their cars limitations were. They are off road vehicles, it's a case of, here's a really off road track, see how you can handle it. Unfortunatey some couldn't.

As someone who has tried varies ways to create a permanent 1:10 off road track for >20 years, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a bigger buggy to have some fun locally as most of the winging on here seems to have put the knackers on NRX supporting tenth scale

And lastly, can we have the real Lee back, can't find anything to pick at him about

[PaulRotheram]

Nothing really to do with me, but thought i'd put my view in after reading through all this, accepted or not!

I think the way people have taken this situation is very poor, and to think people who are commenting are people who assist making other tracks, indoor and outdoor for other clubs, and then not even giving another club a chance to redeem them selfs!

Fair enough if the venue wasnt up to drivers standard of groomed, perfect and time tested tracks like their used to at other venues, then constructive critisism was needed. Instead people have ripped in to the venue for everything its worth and have lost a venue out of every fault of their own!

From the videos the track looks great, obviously needs alterations, but its the drivers who have experience from the best of the best tracks in the world to give their experience and help to the club to make it in to another great venue. Ideally help should of been given to the club, and if the organisers wish to take it on board then alterations could be made for 4wd, then everyones goes home with smiles!

I'd take this as a lesson to everyone for future refference, if NRX do decide to stick with their decision to be removed from future series, then think twice before butchering another club, and loosing that one too!

[DaveG28]

Well, now outsiders are joining in.....

Seriously, Paul and Richard and one or two others have made some very good points here and people on both sides need to take a breath (I can see why rightly or wrongly the track organizers might get annoyed, but everyone else) as what could have been constructive criticism to make the 4wd a top event has got way out of hand!

The only thing irking myself having read this is that some people think offroad means it's impossible for a track to be too rough. Please accept some people think otherwise and that there are limits, without having a go and telling them to race tourers and taking the mickey, because it's not what they've asked for at all! Eg the rallying analogy is terrible, really, rally cars would not run on anything like as rough a surface (to scale) and even complain at plenty of track side items (such as concrete blocks) to try to get damaging things removed!!

It's a shame that this has got so bad as so much work was put in, and I'm not commenting having never been there on whether the tracks suitable (I'd love to do 8th there anyway though!), but hopfeully when calmed down everyone will reailse that VERY FEW people complained about the organisation, that some people being told to "try it themselves" actually do spend there time helping tracks organize etc, but also that some criticism of the track has been overboard too probably!

Hope you guys get it sorted, because track surface issues aside the place looks awesome on video

[Morto]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

I suppose we should suggest Jarrow should just do a flat grass track with bubble wrap around the ropes and no jumps, cotton wool to wrap the cars in, better still maybe a tarmac touring car track or would that be too hard? FFS get a grip! Off road isn't supposed to be flat or without challenges.

(mrs) turbo_brick

Your class m8

[Morto]

Originally Posted by jimmiprice

Ive read this thread with interest over the past few days, this is a prime example as to why internet forums in some instances do a lot more harm than good. Too many experts and heroes can voice their opinion from their computer in the safety of their mothers bedroom.......
I know the track @ NRX very well and i know exactly how much work has gone into the track for yesterday, as lee said earler maybe some constructive criticism would of seen the track pretty much as you wanted for the 4wd round but it looks like that aint goin to happen and its back to school football pitches from now on
But one good thing that has came about from this is that all of the organisers that arent pist off know exactly what most of you fellas want from a track in the illustrious NE regional calendar. Ill list the specs below.................

1. Track surface of either cotton wool or memory foam.

2. Inflatable latex track markings

3. Marshalls in helmets standing behind police riot shields

4. Cad designed carbon fibre take off and landing ramps.

5. Handout cars that are sculpted from granite.

6. A perfectly controlled weather system inc wind breaks in jump areas and humidity control.

7. Gil losi, Masami Hirosaka, Brian kinwald as scrutineers

8. Fully enclosed rostrum with air con, leather seating, sky tv.

9. Restarant franchise on site, Yo Sushi, TGI's, Pizza Express etc

10. Girls aloud on hand with airlines and cleaning equipment just incase you get a small piece of dirt on your off road car.

11. On site computer link to race control so you can voice any opinions on the day without actually opening your mouth.

So there you go fellas this is what you need, just need someone to build it now

Jimmi...............

You forgot the GPS global positioning device so they don't have to actually drive just watch them go round!!

Nice post jimmi!

[telboy]

But its the sarcasm like that, that is getting people's backs up. Morto, it just seems you're on here to wind people up and get a reaction. Because your comment seem pointless.
Some are just asking a question, ie-is the track suitable for 1/10th, and others are mentioning parts that need improving.
Some people have taken it WAY over the top and seen it as us lot having a go at the organisers of the club.....WE'RE NOT.

Yes, people could go slower, BUT we are 'racing' not driving round slowly for a day out. If I wanted to do that, I'd have gone to the park.
I enjoy racing, even though I'm not that brilliant. Two of my breakages were at relatively slow speeds. So going fast is not the main problem for ALL of the breakages.
What I found was that the profile of the take off jumps, sent you skywards if you took it quick, kicked the back end up if you took them mid speeds and were ok if you 'tip-toed' around them. Not eveyone has the skill to land big jumps.
The only jump I found easy to clear consistently was the little jump in the middle of the track.

But stop throwing all the silly comparisons like ralying at eveyone, because I'm sure that if something wasn't right at a rally, Mr Loeb etc. would have something to say and demand changes. Look at all the stages that have been cancelled over the last few years due to risk of damage to cars or spectators.
And all talk about cotton wool and bubble wrap is just a bit childish.

So lets all calm down and stop having digs at each others comments.
No one came on here to stop the club from running a regional. They just asked a question and commented on the tracks minor points.....is that so bad?

[Lee]

I agree with you Tel, people do need to sit back and weigh up the pro's and cons.

What do we have?

A fantastic permanent all weather facility with good facilities with a track that rewards those who take a chance if they get it right. (this is one of the most appealing thing to me on any track, to have an option to make up time or make a move makes it exciting). The organisers were great, it was run as smooth as any other meeting i have ever been to.

What would we like?

I dont think astro overlapping is an issue, if you had bumps on a grass track you would have to live with it. Maybe a re-profile of the face of some of the take off ramps, but again this is not something i struggled with, i just made sure i hit the part of the ramp that made the car fly the best. I know other national tracks where you have to pick a line through but these are not asked to change.